Talk:Guava

Guava + Asthma
Has anyone else discovered that Guava triggers asthma attacks? Or is that just my family? Hmm... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.60.128 (talk) 09:04, 7 April, 2006 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about fresh Guava? Do any other citrus type fruit cause you Asthma reactions? I understand that people can be allergic to anything but, I would be really surprised if it was "only guava". There is huge verity of flavors of guava fruits and would encourage everyone to try a fresh fruit. Look around the web, there are a lot a health benefits to the guava fruit and plant. Visit the http://www.cloudforest.com/cafe/index.html to see where a handful of folks are growing them outside of the tropics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregorycushing (talk) 12:38, 24 June, 2006 (UTC)


 * Can any body tell me the "cultivation methods in Pakistan of Guava" Email:salehsaqib@hotmail.com Cell: 03006676926 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.56.22.14 (talk) 09:04, 7 April, 2006 (UTC)

Umm... What is with the weapons of mass destruction and the poops thing? I think I will delete them. Also, 5199 Degrees C? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.23.241.65 (talk) 01:11, 7 April, 2007 (UTC)

Guaba del Ecuador
I don't think this fruit is related to this genus. The inside looks more like an Anona. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.143.106.185 (talk) 12:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Old scientific name vs. new name
ITIS still use Psidium cattleianum as the valid name, stating P. littorale (and others) as being a synonym: What's the real deal here? Tommy Kronkvist talk   contribs  08:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Simple: ITIS is obsolete, much of the information in it has not been updated in the last decade. Bottom line: only use ITIS if there is no other source available. And do not use ITIS entries where no revision date is given at all. And do not use ITIS whenever you have doubt that all taxa are listed (often, it lists North American taxa only). Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 13:30, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== Guava (Malayalam) Y) ==

A word used by English youth meang everything is Good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiadd1 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

this is a great help for us students so please continue on running this program —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.111.228.246 (talk) 10:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Hindi?
Is it true that the Hindi word "amrood" comes from guava? It's a surprising claim. 206.208.105.129 (talk) 18:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Hawaii
Although it is true that people in Hawaii eat the guava with soy sauce and spices, it is also true that they also eat it plain which I think should be noted in the article. I think it would also be interesting to note in the article that Hawaii manufactures guava jelly and jam. I'll include these points in the article after approval from a second opinion. Reuben2011 (talk) 03:29, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Most commonly encountered
From the article:

"The most frequently encountered species, and the one often simply referred to as "the guava", is the Apple Guava (Psidium guajava).[citation needed]"

This claim surely can't be universally true. I'm sure it's true in some places. I live in NZ and we have heaps of guava trees here; but I've never seen an apple guava, so it's not "the most frequently encountered". Perhaps someone could modify this by saying where the apple guava is most commonly encountered? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.216.30.112 (talk) 00:19, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Regional names
The wide variation and distribution of guava warrants different names which can be better collected here. The article should not be burdened by lists of all possible non-English terms. --Zefr (talk) 14:26, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Outside Europe, the Arabic "جوافة" j(a)wafa~gawafa, the Japanese guaba (グアバ), the Tamil "koiyaa" (கொய்யா), the Tongan kuava and probably also the Tagalog bayabas are ultimately derived from the Arawak term.In Gujarati it is called 'Jamfal'.

Another term for guavas is pera or variants thereof. It is common around the western Indian Ocean and probably derives from Spanish or Portuguese, which means "pear", or from some language of southern India, though it is so widespread in the region that its origin cannot be clearly discerned any more. Pera itself is used in Malayalam, Sinhala and Swahili. In Marathi it is peru (पेरू), in Bengali pearah (পেয়ারা), in Assamese "Madhuriam",in Kannada it is pearaley ('ಪೇರಲೆ') or seebe kaayi ('ಸೀಬೇಕಾಯಿ ') and in Dhivehi feyru. In Telugu language it is "Jama kaya". It is called pijuli in Oriya language in eastern India.

Guava is also called Amrood ('अमरुद', 'امرود') in North India and Pakistan, which is possibly a variant of Armoot meaning "pear" in Arabic and Turkish languages, and possibly linked to the Moghul occupation of this region. It is also called "Bihi" ('बिही') in parts of Central India.

Additional terms for guavas from their native range are, for example, sawintu (Quechua) and xālxocotl (Nāhuatl) Another term for guavas (Ethiopian, Amharic) is "Zeytuna".

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: No consensus. It seems that User:Plantdrew and User:Peter coxhead have given the most thought to the technical details of this move but they're not in agreement. Whether Guava should be a 'fruit' article or a 'genus' article is a worthwhile question that seems not to have been settled here. No objection to a new move proposal if those interested can reach agreement on the matters that weren't resolved this time around. EdJohnston (talk) 15:51, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Guava → Psidium Psidium guajava → Guava – The primary topic of Guava is the fruit of the species Psidium guajava. "Guava" should either redirect to Psidium guajava, or be the title of an article on that species. The content of this article is about the Psidium genus of plants. No other species of Psidium is cultivated on the scale of P. guajava. One other species in the guava genus, Psidium cattleianum is naturalized (and may be more common) in English speaking areas surrounding the Pacific Ocean (e.g., Australia, New Zealand, Hawaii). I'd like to hear opinions from Pacific editors, but it seems to me that "guava" means "Psidium guajava". If this move passes, I intend to propose moving Psidium guajava to Guava Relisted. BDD (talk) 21:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC) Plantdrew (talk) 04:23, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Survey
Oppose Guava is Guava, no longer exotic. If there's a need to WP:FORK/create a separate article for something else then sure, by all means do so. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? As far as I can determine, Guava is Guava (i.e. Psidium guajava), and I agree that this species is no longer exotic in the temperate regions of the English speaking world (e.g. UK, US, Canada). Guava could be a FORK/DAB for fruits of several Psidium species, but the move would need to go through first to free up Guava as a title. Plantdrew (talk) 06:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I was confused by what is evidently a multimove. I have added in the second move.
 * So what is the source evidence that all the fruit/juice is Psidium guajava = http://www.21food.com/products/pink-guava-juice-59069.html. And if so to which article should the Sun Tropics graphic to right be added? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:34, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Support Guava → Psidium. Oppose Psidium guajava → Guava. "Guava" is ambiguous between the species and the genus so is not suitable for an article title. This is a clear case where the scientific names are better in both cases. Peter coxhead (talk) 19:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Then there will be no article called Guava? How by WP:COMMONNAME can there not be an article called guava for the commonly available fruit guava? Unless another article is renamed Guava Oppose In ictu oculi (talk) 01:59, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * There are lots of "common names" for things which are not ambiguous when used in context, but are ambiguous when used as the title of an article in an international encyclopedia. WP:AT requires a of principles to be applied in deciding on a title, including precision. I might just as well say how can there not be an article called "starling" about the birds I can see on my lawn at present? "Common Starling" is an English name but not by any stretch of the imagination the common name.  "guava" is regularly applied both to one species and to the genus, then it should not be used as a title for either article; WP:COMMONNAME does not trump the principles set out immediately above it. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:13, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Clearly, the current article is about the plants, in violation of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. So definitely move. The title guava should then be an article about the fruit, like apple or cherry. Red Slash 00:17, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Aside: Apple is not about the fruit, and should be moved to Malus domestica. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Surely Malus domestica should be split, if anything. Most of the content at Apple is about the fruit. Plantdrew (talk) 17:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Definitely agree. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:50, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I certainly agree that where the fruit is produced by more than one species (banana is another example), having an article about the fruit at the English name and articles about the species at the scientific names is the best solution. However, it's not clear to me that this is true of guava as a fruit. Peter coxhead (talk) 00:26, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Support a move of Guava → Psidium per nom. Also suppport a move of Psidium guajava → Guava.  A good bit of material in the current guava/Psidium article should also be moved to P. guajava as it is about only P. guajava or its fruit.  —  AjaxSmack   04:45, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:


 * I really don't know the answer, but this site seems to be suggesting that Acca sellowiana is used for juice. Perhaps they are confused? Sminthopsis84 (talk) 23:47, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That bit is copied from, and the original is pretty confused. Plantdrew (talk) 16:44, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In ictu oculi, I don't really have a good source that ALL fruit/juice is P. guajava, but neither can any find any evidence that ANY commercially available fruit/juice come from another species of Psidium. The FAO doesn't have production statistics for any other species (and they have P. guajava is lumped with several other plants under "tropical fruit").  The green skinned, pink fleshed fruits in the Sun Tropics photo, and on the 21food.com appear to be P. guajava (P. cattleianum has red skin; 2 other species have yellow skin but aren't grown outside of small areas in Latin America). Note that some other links on 21food.com specify the species as P. guajava (e.g. http://www.21food.com/products/pink-guava-452526.html).  Comparing the following info on the 4 cultivated species of Psidium: Guava, Purple Guava, Brazilian Guava, Costa Rican Guava; it seems pretty clear to me that none of the others are grown anywhere near the scale of P. guajava. Plantdrew (talk) 16:44, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * This seems to be a case where in common usage "the guava" and other uses of "guava" in the singular refer to the fruit of one particular species and hence, by implication at least, the species itself, but also where "guavas" is used as a general term for the genus. Such cases always seem to cause problems: two recent examples are "Douglas-fir" and "Rowan". Since in Wikipedia we can't have an article at the singular and at the plural, two choices seem to remain:
 * Use the scientific name in both cases (i.e. for the species and genus articles). This is my strongly preferred choice.
 * Decide which of the species and the genus is most commonly known by the English name, use it for the appropriate article and the scientific name for the other. In this case, I think that "guava" is the species.
 * Peter coxhead (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * So is there consensus to move this page to Psidium? I was reluctant to do this as a multi-move, as the title of Psidium guajava seems ike a separate discussion. Is there consensus that Guava should be associated with P. guajava (either as a redirect or a title), with the use of the term for the genus handled in a hatnote? Or is Guava ambiguous enough to be a DAB for the genus & species? Plantdrew (talk) 16:11, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at the content, there needs to be some sorting after a move, but I think there is sufficient reasoned support for not associating "guava" with the genus.
 * As for what "guava" should be associated with, this seems to me a difficult question. I would say that in the UK and I suspect other temperate countries where guavas are only know through imports, Psidium guajava = "guava". But worldwide this is not the case. E.g. I'm just returning from Malaysia, where the Bahasa Malaysia word "jambu" is translated as "guava" in supermarkets and similar shops where English labels are also used. There are many kinds of "jambu", including "jambu air" = "water guava", which is Syzygium samarangense. Other species of Syzygium produce fruit whose name is translated to include "guava", e.g. Syzygium malaccense = "jambu merah" = "red guava". Is this relevant? It's the same question we've discussed re "plantain". In temperate English-speaking countries, "plaintains" and "bananas" are distinct kinds of fruit. Worldwide they overlap and the distinction isn't relevant. So should the article title be based on temperate English-speaking countries or the world as a whole? Peter coxhead (talk) 01:51, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect that the original sense of jambu was Syzygium jambolanum, but P. guajava may well be the most common Malaysian "jambu" currently. Farang mentions a Thai case where P. guajava seems to be the "type species" of a folk genus that includes Myrtaceae fruits outside of Psidium. Folk taxonomy doesn't always map well to clades/taxa. In English, "guava" can include fruits of other genera (e.g. Acca, Ugni), but it seems pretty clear to me that P. guajava is the primary topic ("folk type species") of "guava".


 * How about moving Psidium guajava to Guava, but including a hatnote and a link in an Etymology section to List of plants named guava (with content along the lines of User:Plantdrew/sandbox)? "Guava" is a pretty high traffic subject (~2000 daily page views, and the 148th most viewed article on a plant recently). I'm pretty sure people searching/linking for "guava" are looking for something about P. guajava. Plantdrew (talk) 05:19, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * it seems to me that if there's an article called "List of plants named guava" it's really an acceptance that the word "guava" is not sufficiently precise to serve as an article title. I would suggest retaining Psidium guajava with "Guava" redirecting there (which will deal with searches) but with the hat note + list article you suggest. Peter coxhead (talk) 19:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, there are other things called guava out there but P. guajava and its fruit (currently dealt with in a single article) are the primary topic. Move Psidium guajava to guava and, as User:Plantdrew suggests, use hatnotes to guide readers to Psidium or other relevant articles.  —  AjaxSmack   04:45, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Psidium should not redirect to common name page guava, but be a separate page with taxonomic info and a list of species
There is a discussion here. FloraWilde (talk) 13:25, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Etymology
It says the word comes from Arawak guayabo, but the Arawak article doesn't list g in the 'phonology' or 'writing system' sections. Anybody who knows Arawak and can clarify this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.26.147.201 (talk) 08:42, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Scientific classification
This page needs a box with the scientific classification of guava. The version of this article in Spanish already has it.

ICE77 (talk) 17:45, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Guava
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Guava's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Morton": From Mango:  From Berry (botany):  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 23:50, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Species Name
The species Name is spelled differently in two occurrences (guayava and guajava) 147.147.45.56 (talk) 08:50, 25 June 2023 (UTC)