Talk:Gun buyback program

Orwellian English
The term Buyback is an insult to rational people. Nothing is being "bought back" as it was never the government's property in the first place.

Call it what it is: taxpayer-funded disarmament of the public for reasons of political theater. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.218.37 (talk) 09:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia Talk pages are not intended to be a forum for political grandstanding. Flanker235 (talk) 22:55, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Speedy delete
It's been under WikiProject_Law_Enforcement/Requested_articles. It shall be improved as soon as possible. AgentFade2Black 01:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

How about the UK programs ?
The article needs to include the UK handgun confiscation. ChrisPer (talk) 02:56, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Why? If it wasn't a buyback program, how is it relevant? Flanker235 (talk) 09:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


 * @ChrisPer is wrong to refer to the prohibition of handguns as a confiscation - the ban on handguns in the UK (in 1997) as well as (most) semi-auto rifles in 1988 and "rapid-firing rifles" in 2019/20 were all mandatory buybacks - the law changed, and the government paid market price for people's lawful property (unless you chose to export the firearms and sell them overseas) - because civil forfeiture isn't a thing in the UK (there is asset forfeiture, but that's for proceeds-of-crime and requires a court order - if the government wants to ban all Audi cars or all handguns, they have to pony up. They can't just arbitrarily confiscate them).Hemmers (talk) 11:47, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Need some good references.
Evaluations of the US programs would be helpful. Are there public documents doing benefit-cost analysis? ChrisPer (talk) 02:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * No. The US gun lobby - mostly the NRA - had access to a lot of this information blocked by the Supreme Court in about 2006-2008. Flanker235 (talk) 09:37, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

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Annual? (per caption) Rich Farmbrough, 19:23, 14 January 2013 (UTC).

The term buyback is incorrect English.
How can you buy something back from someone if it wasn't sold by the buyer to begin with?Beancrisp (talk) 00:16, 17 January 2013 (UTC)Beancrisp (talk) 00:17, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Again, Wikipedia is not the place to parade a political agenda. The topic is buyback programs. Whether you agree with them or not is your perogative. Flanker235 (talk) 09:38, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Info to review/incorporate
This info is in the Gun violence in the United States article. It needs to be reviewed and incorporated here where appropriate, and the summary of "Gun buyback programs" in that article needs to be updated.


 * Gun "buyback" programs are a strategy aimed at influencing the firearms market by taking guns "off the streets". Gun buyback programs have been shown to be ineffective, with the National Academy of Sciences citing theory underlying these programs as "badly flawed." Guns surrendered tend to be those least likely to be involved in crime, such as old, malfunctioning guns with little resale value, muzzleloading or other black-powder guns, antiques chambered for obsolete cartridges that are no longer commercially manufactured or sold, or guns that individuals inherit but have little value in possessing. Other limitations of gun buyback programs include the fact that it is relatively easy to obtain gun replacements, often of better guns than were relinquished in the buyback. Also, the number of handguns used in crime (approximately 7,500 per year) is very small compared to the approximately 70 million handguns in the U.S. (i.e., 0.011%).


 * "Gun bounty" programs launched in several Florida cities have shown more promise. These programs involve cash rewards for anonymous tips about illegal weapons that lead to an arrest and a weapons charge. Since its inception in May 2007, the Miami program has led to 264 arrests and the confiscation of 432 guns owned illegally and $2.2 million in drugs, and has solved several murder and burglary cases.

--Lightbreather (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * "Also, the number of handguns used in crime (approximately 7,500 per year) is very small compared to the approximately 70 million handguns in the U.S. (i.e., 0.011%).[1]"


 * This is something of a misquote. The article you linked to refers to approximately 6,500 (rather than 7,500) murders. You referred to 6,500 crimes. In 1999 there 10,828 gun murders in the United States (CDC figures). Some involved multiple victims but the number of crimes (non-fatal) involving handguns in 1999 was approximately 651,000.


 * http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states


 * http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf


 * The effectiveness of the gun buyback in Australia can be measured by the number of gun massacres (four or more victims) before and since 1996. Flanker235 (talk) 23:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Buyback also works with zero payment
In Denmark the state prosecution periodically guarantees freedom from prosecution ('frit lejde' i.e. safe passage or amnesty) for anyone to within a pre-announced period of time anonymously surrender a gun at a police station. The collected weapons are destroyed. Like other programs the motivation is that the destruction of an (illegal) weapon prevents that a crime can be committed with it. Within the month of June 2013 Danish police thus received 13481 guns, while the previous 'safe passage' action in 2009 collected 9589 guns. So maybe it could be relevant to mention that this type of program also can function with zero payment. If there is interest in this, I can add it to the article (citing sources, but maybe only in Danish). Lklundin (talk) 11:21, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

"Buyback"
There is no such thing as "buyback" by governments. It is forced surrender of firearms, with some compensation for the value of the firearm. The firearms are owned by individual citizens, not the government. So the Government can not purchase back something it never owned in the first place. 120.159.179.136 (talk) 04:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Terminology debate "Buyback"
A quick note to prevent future quibbling over the meaning of "back" in the word "buyback".

The firearms are purchased FROM the owners, adverb form of "motion away", thus "back".

There are no grammatical or definition based arguments for challenging this terminology.

Future edits attempting this argument can be classed as vandalism. Jmackaerospace (talk) 04:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Would you please cite a source for the definition of back meaning "away from".
 * I've found several which state "away from the front" but none that simply state "away from". It seems a stretch of reason to me as away from might also mean to either side or even the front. Anyway, given your clear threat premised on that definition, a source would solidify your position.  99.9.109.222 (talk) 12:37, 26 December 2023 (UTC)