Talk:Gwar/Archive 1

Deletion?
This addition preplexes me. I actually think this is one of the most informative and in-depth band pages there is here. I don't think there is any reason (given or otherwise) for it to be deleted, and would be a real shame if it was. Considering taking away the notice. Thoughts? Smoltz 01:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Obviously whoever added the deletion template thought he was being funny or just trying to vandalize the band's page, shows maturity eh? Nightmare X 08:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought the whole IP address thing was fishy. Smoltz 21:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Videography
No listing so far? The article only mentions some of the videos in the album descriptions. It needs descriptions of all the videos, not just the album tie-ins. Gwar is much more of an Audio/Visual stage production than just a band. Exclusion of their video productions really does the band and article a disservice. I would partake of the endevor but I'm only familiar with (have viewed)the much earlier Gwar videos. If there is no other initiative I can at least drum up a list of all the LIVE videos and album tie-ins and throw them up on the main page, but I can't go in-depth on more than a few of the early ones.

Also, I just worked on (for several hours) some of the grammar in the first section. I added a bit in an attempt to clean it up and clarify. This article, sadly, does need an entire re-write, its just all over the place in its current form. The Member list is also atrocious in its current form, alot of good info there, but laid out horribly. Should have a seperate list of current main "Stage Persona" with their stories, then recurring characters, and finally de-comissioned stage persona. Then there should be a list of current actual members, members whose roles have changed, and ex-band members. (current wiki member having trouble signing in) 2005-11-09.


 * Is GWAR's entire freaking videography really necessary for this page? It takes up a lot of room and in my opinion should be moved to a seperate page (or individual articles for each video). What do you guys think, should we keep it, move to a different article, or move to individual pages each video? Nightmare X 00:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It'd be alot of work, but I'd be willing to help create pages for all of the videos. I'd just make sure to include what already on the page, including the summary and tracklist in a easy to read form. The new pages would also let us include photos of the covers. On a side note, is there any specific templete we should follow, if we were to create new pages? Smoltz 00:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * If you do change it, I suggest keeping it one article. It's kind of a waste to give each release its own page. There's nothing that special about them that warrants a page for each one. Just move the article and do a clean up where needed. JohnBWatt


 * There, I split it and removed the cleanup notice, the videography article needs being improved, of course. Nightmare X 01:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Zoolander?
This appears on the Zoolander page and I was wondering if there is anything truth to it. "Many members of the shock rock band GWAR make cameo appearances during the Derek-Hansel walk-off scene and are uncredited." I never really noticed this which is why I assume, there aren't in full costume. Can anybody shed some light onto this? Smoltz 22:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Band with only one constant member?
I was wondering if it would be accurate to add GWAR to the "Bands with only one constant member" category, seeing how Dave Brockie is the only member of the band who's been there since the start. However, I also kinda doubt it should be added since Mike Derks and Brad Roberts have been there ever since Scumdogs of the Universe and could be considered constant members of the band, but I'm not sure. Nightmare X 16:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA
I failed this article due to the lack of references, as well as the large number of bulleted lists. Some P.  E  rson  23:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * To solve the bulleted list problem, I would suggest putting many of the appearences into the biography section of the article. Also the smaller parts, such as the pro-wrestling or smaller one can be either eliminated or put under trivia.Smoltz 02:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Guts, Gore, and GWAR '99 Citation Needed?
This event appears on the VH-1 "Where Are They Now" on Gwar, which is on youtube, does that work as a citation? --Smart Mark Greene 05:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The fake bodily fluids in stage performance.
Though they are claimed to be fake in the wiki article, I read somewhere that they use actual pig's blood to fake the blood. Has anybody researched this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.234.51.173 (talk) 07:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC).


 * The blood is very fake, I think that you might possibly be confusing this fact with Slayer having goat blood dumped on them on stage. GWAR blood has always been fake though, hence why it stains the skin so badly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SanctusAbMortis (talk • contribs) 21:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

GWAR Mythos?
I was reading the page for Sleazy a few months ago, and it had a [long but] great summation of the GWAR story from the beginning to now, using the songs and explaining some of the things GWAR used to do onstage, etc. I always wondered why it wasn't on the band's page, and when I went back to look for it today, I saw that Sleazy's page has been hacked down to three albums with accompanying paragraphs; nowhere near the size it was (which is both good and bad). The mythos was a little rambling, but with some good editing, I think it would be a great addition to this page. I'm sad to see it's gone and I'm wondering if anyone here knows what I'm talking about (I don't see anything regarding it on the talk page), and if anyone is willing to edit it to add it here. It seems like a good background on the band's mythology, especially for new fans like myself. Alabasterchinchilla 17:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Typo
Is the "Gwarnage Campaing" supposed to be spelled that way, or is it deliberate? I see the use of pain in campaing, but it can easily be a typo.


 * It should be Campain, or probably more appropriate, Cam-Pain.


 * I'm pretty sure that it is a typo, as I believe the correct title is "The GWARnage Campaign." Smoltz 04:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * You're right and I was wrong. It actually is "The GWARnage Campaign," although spelling it Cam-Pain, would have made more sense, on their part, considering their characters.


 * Learn to read. NONE of the actual current members names right.  I'm going to keep an eye on it but this article is so horrifically incorrect that I may have take a few hours to completely fix it.


 * This page is mutating into a good article rather quickly. If we can keep the vandals out, we might be on to something.


 * By the way... I'm going through this page (and maybe some of the other secondary GWAR pages eventually) and making minor grammatical edits. Not to put anyone down or anything, but some of the phrasings and syntax, etc., are a little wonky to say the least. Hopefully these little edits will help improve the article overall. Alabasterchinchilla 17:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

POV comments
I don't think the album reviews are very NPOV. They have to many negative remarks that obviously reflect the writers personal opinion of the records. Lachatdelarue 19:10, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Actually this article is, by and large, pretty damn awful. In general the text reads as if it was written by a rabid teenage fan. However if you remove the colloqialisms, add some basic elements of grammar, and adopt a more neutral tone then you might get something decent. I'll watch it for a few days and if it doesn't improve I'll take a big editing knife to it. Manning 07:03, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * the recent edits by the original writer aren't to bad. needs some cleaning up and wikifying, but he seems to have fixed most of the stuff that was POV. Lachatdelarue 14:11, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Passive Voice - Why is most of this article written this way?: Due to the band's distaste for the previous album, GWAR's sound would suffer major changes for the next recording. With Tim Harris gone, Zack Blair would be hired to fill his spot as Flattus Maximus, Casey Orr also having returned to the band as Beefcake the Mighty for the recording of the band's first entirely thrash metal album in years: Violence Has Arrived, released in November 6, 2001, the album being seen as a "comeback" of sorts and setting off changes that would result in the current state of the band. Violence Has Arrived would be, however, the band's last album on Metal Blade Records, with the band leaving the label soon after the recording and releasing of it. --YellowTapedR 05:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Name
In the early years section, the article says that GWAR was shortened down from "GWAARGGGH!!!", but that isn't mentioned at all in the "Meaning" section near the end of the article. Which is it? Dihard 01:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * According to the ticketmaster website, GWAR originally stood for "God What An Awful Racket" as well as that the band was not started the way the biography states it, but was started as a marketing project in Virginia. [ http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/735222/?search_redirect=GWAR&tm_link=tm_header_search#bio ] someone check out the link and tell me who is right here, because I would trust All Music Guide above whatever source you've been reading unless it is straight from the GWAR website, which would still be a sketchy source since they like sticking to their theme of being aliens rather than admitting they are a marketing project. Someone get back to me on this.  Someone earlier mentioned a review by All Music Guide, I didn't read far enough into the page to know what they were talking about, but I assure you the biography I read here on ticketmaster.com is mostly fact, not opinion.  Someone check it out and tell me I'm not just psychotic to think that the two origins of not just the meaning of GWAR but the founding of GWAR are not contradicting each other. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SanctusAbMortis (talk • contribs) 10:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC).


 * It's been explained by Dave Brockie countless times already, All Music Guide aren't accurate in this case.


 * You also should realize though that they never let down from saying that they are aliens. It could be possible that it evolved from "God What An Awful Racket" to "GWARRGH" or however you want to spell it.  Just a thought. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SanctusAbMortis (talk • contribs) 09:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

This should be moved from GWAR to Gwar. If ORANGE RANGE got moved to Orange Range, and FLOW got moved to Flow (band), this should do the same.--▄█ Benol  █▄ 01:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * GWAR is an acronym for "God What an Awful Racket" - the way other bands are spelled has nothing to do with correct GWAR capitalization. GWAR is spelled with all capital letters. MarkMarek 02:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * GWAR is NOT an acronym. This has been stated by the band many, many times. Its often said that GWAR is short for "GGWWWWAAAARRRRR!!!!", but the rumors that it stands for God What A Racket, Gay Women Against Rape, Great White Aryan Race, or any other rumors you have heard are just that: rumors. --24.163.118.163 01:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Dave Brockie and the Slave Pit Inc official website state the former, allow me to rewrite the meaning section Nightmare X 01:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Warhammer? Did I miss something?
Since when did GWAR reference Warhammer? I've never played it, but unless somebody has a source, I don't think it's necessary to say that they referenced it. I didn't know that a blood cannon and plague infection could only be attributed to Warhammer. Unless someone can find a quote or something, I say it should be deleted. Tlonmaster (talk) 06:51, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

GWAR in Alan Moore's The Watchmen
i was wondering if the appearance of the GWAR acronym in this classic graphic novel would be of any importance to this article. A lesbian customer to the newstand passes out flyers for her political action group "Gay Women Against Rape" GWAR


 * im not too sure who said it first...but its something i think worth mentioning...i actually came here looking for an answer... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.63.125.169 (talk) 22:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The only relevance it has was that a lot of people thought it was what GWAR's name was based on, but it has been disproved. 69.136.241.218 (talk) 23:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Where was it disproved and how? How can you honestly expect me to believe this is merely a coincidence? GWAR seems like a pretty unique arrangement of letters. I understand GWAR was "formed" in '85 and The Watchmen was first published in '86, but GWAR's first album doesnt come out until '88.


 * One of them is referencing the other. I think someone should find out who. Maybe me...


 * As far as south African slang for vagina...c'mon..this is GWAR were talking about...you actually BELIEVE that?


 * They've said it a thousand times, this has nothing to do with the band GWAR. It just happens to be a total coincidence. 69.136.240.169 (talk) 03:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

RAWG
Why no mention of RAWG, GWAR's alter ego? For years in Richmond they would perform as RAWG and dress as police officers. The shows were sans-blood, gore, etc. I think this is somewhat notable and surprised to not see it mentioned. 66.207.82.96 (talk) 21:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * RAWG is GWAR without costumes, they were sorta but not really banned in Richmond for awhile (basically cops harrassed the bars they played at). They play the same songs as GWAR. The Police Officers getup was a band called X-Cops, a side project. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.165.155 (talk) 22:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Red Eye
I just attended a concert where Oderus says he was kicked off of Red-Eye for the disembowlment of Sarah Palin bit. Thought it should be noted. Here is a YouTube video of that particular statement. 7-8 seconds into this video. http://www.youtube.com/user/denny23220#p/u/1/lgyKV8L_evc I am not the YouTube poster, just a concert attendee that didn't know he was off Red-Eye. 68.57.165.155 (talk) 23:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Genre
Could anyone explain why was GWAR's genre changed to Thrashcore? before changing the band's genre to something it would be better to discuss on the talk page, so I reverted that edit. Personally, I believe that despite the fact GWAR have some heavily experimental albums (This Toilet Earth and Carnival of Chaos), their primary genres are Thrash Metal (War Party, America Must Be Destroyed, Violence Has Arrived, a good part of Scumdogs of the Universe) and Punk Rock (Hell-O and We Kill Everything), but I might be wrong, so I invite you to discuss this here. Nightmare X 00:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Carnival of Chaos is not experimental. Its pretty standard punk metal.  Now, Ragnarok is.  NEver heard anything that sounds like ti.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.124.166.2 (talk) 17:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Is it supposed to be Christian rock? (125.236.162.119 11:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC))


 * Yes 198.6.46.11 21:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure. I have also put Punk Metal should on there.


 * I have added expiremntal metal, since Ragnarok and This Toilet Earth both totally defy any attempt to shove a genre on them and sound totally unlike any other band ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.213.206.54 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 20 April 2008


 * Shouldn't punk rock or post-hardcore be added to this list? The Shadow-Fighter (talk) 19:41, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Think the lead needs a little attention. Perry Groves (talk) 15:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Gwar is not... Heavy Metal.. They might have roots to this genre but however their sound is more heavily influenced in punk rock this needs changed::: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.212.174 (talk) 20:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * There are many different styles of heavy metal of which Gwar probably come closest to thrash metal. Ultimately though, it's still heavy metal. The whole concept began as a parody of heavy metal band imagery. If anything, their roots were more punk rock but Gwar hasn't sounded anything like punk rock in about twenty years now. You seem to acknowledge this above when you say, "their sound is more heavily influenced in punk rock". The article introduction deals with what they are now though and not what they were influenced by. NJZombie (talk) 20:17, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Related Artists
what on earth is this section?? i haven't ever seen that anywhere else accept in the side bar. There is no explanation or reference as to what this section is about and unless anyone can think of a reason not to it might as well be removed.Yellowxander (talk) 01:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC) Also done a little tidying to the page, nothing is deleted though, just there was like 3 or 4 seperated sections on the same topic, in several instances.

Biography
Origins section needs to be expanded. Anyone willing to help up writing a biography for GWAR? whereas I've cooperated with this article for a while, I'm pretty bad with writing prose, but I've been able to find a source that can be used to write a biography: Slave Pit Inc.


 * COMPLETELY REVAMPED BIOGRAPHY, WOO. Okay, so, I did it, I managed to create a complete biography for the band based on the Slave Pit link above, however, my writing might be flawed or messy in certain points, so any contributions to the biography section are welcome. Nightmare X 09:06, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * do you have a copy of that gwar bio they wrote. they're changing their website and i can't access it. if you do have a copy that would be apriciated*. *i can't spell sh!t


 * lol same prob i found out some coll stuff like GWAR got kicked out of richmond but RAWG isn't which for the noobs is GWAR backwards.Carpathian soilder 16:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)carpathian_soilder


 * Here as a link with several good references to the history of the band. Not sure if this should go under external links however - http://rvanews.com/sections/entertainment/gwar It is written by Dave Brockie, so from the horses mouth, so to speak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.165.155 (talk) 23:09, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * This ought to be changed to "History". also the subheadings are too messy, the first, at least, should be corrected to "Formation". Will change this if there are no objections...Yellowxander (talk) 03:05, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Characters

 * In light of Slymenstra's retirement, I don't think merging her into this article would be ideal. At the very least there should be an article on retired characters. It pains me to see Slymenstra and some of the other retired characters virtually becoming footnotes.I think an article for Gwar's enemies would be a nice addition also. I'm willing to do either/both if no one else will. --Evanrocks88 03:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I created a character page for Flattus Maximus, and updated Slymenstra Hymen's. I've also been adding information about other characters anonymously. - andvari7 (2/4/06)


 * Flattus Maximus is not dead. Since the recent news of Cory Smoots death some vigilant wikipedian decided it was time to retire the Flattus Maximus name and move the character to the past member section. As of now (5:12 PM eastern 11/3/2011) Gwar has not released an official statement. Plus given the fact that Multiple people have assumed the Role of Flattus, the Character is not dead, just the person currently assuming the role (Corey Smoot). I am reverting the change until there is an official statement from Gwar themselves. And I doubt the character of Flattus will be removed, they will most likely find a replacement guitarist to fill the role. 24.45.191.151 (talk) 21:16, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * As of 11/7/2011 Dave Brocky has posted an official statement on gwar.net concerning Cory Smoots death. Gwar is officially retiring the character Flattus Maximus in response. The character is not said to be dead but returned home to his planet. The official statement on Flattus is "Flattus has decided to return to his beloved “Planet Home”, and will never return to this mudball planet again." So we can move the character to the retired section. 24.45.191.151 (talk) 17:47, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I added some members to the retired section and corrected some unknowns. If you want to see the source to back up the new stuff I added, it acually comes from GWAR's official website, so it's not just stuff some fan made up. Here's the source: http://www.gwar.net/mooselodge/fuq/index.php?gwarsid=df4b1ad2f251d30a32aaa29b850f2fb0 -An anonymous GWAR fan


 * Bonesnapper - Went to the show at the house of blues last night and they had this charachter I had never heard about before called bonesnapper. He kindof looked like a really jacked orc. I checked out youtube and found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y2yrv0hM50&feature=related indicating that he has been around for over a year. Why is there nothing on bonesnapper? he seemed to be a rather important part of the show. anyone know some history of the charachter so he could be included?72.12.72.122 (talk) 15:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * There is a song about him called Bonesnapper (Faces of the Slain) on War Party. He's mostly a sidekick character they use to either kill other people, or actually kill him. He's not really that important, but since the current tour maybe they might make him a sort of new Sexecutioner-type character. Tlonmaster (talk) 04:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Member Page
Right, moved ALL that messy info onto another page. none of it has any reference's so the page will most likely get deleted. in its place i have made a nice neat and tidy timeline table. of course most dates are estimates but have got the years form the lists already written and have worked them into who was on what album, so it at least is a good representation. dont mess it up, only took me 4 hours! ;) Yellowxander (talk) 23:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Discography
I'm working on moving all of the albums' info into their own pages. I've done the first 3 albums so far, and I'll do the rest later, at which time I'll edit the discography list to point to the individual articles. Lachatdelarue (talk) 16:54, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm currently gong through and consolidating the Gwar page as it long and cumbersome to read. I’m creating the separate album pages and adding album Info. As well as putting the Jerry Springer Show and Kids Next Door from the “Disc” to “Appearances.” So bear with me until all the pages are done. Smoltz 22:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Smoltz


 * I completely revamped the discography, although I seem to have slightly messed up the code and added an empty bar to the side of the table, can anyone with wikipedia experience fix this? Nightmare X 07:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Fixed. You just added an extra "|" on some of the albums. Also is it really necessary to have US sales and chart postions, since to my knowledge no GWAR has charted and I would have no idea where you would find album sales.Smoltz 23:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, All Music Guide has charts for some albums Nightmare X 01:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I stand corrected. I'll try to incorporate that in the table. Smoltz 23:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yay or nay on the new design? Smoltz 00:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Seems fine for me Nightmare X 22:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Have simplified the main page list to just studio albums, in line with wiki standard, as there is a separate discography page.Yellowxander (talk) 23:39, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

"pre-natal rape"
ok I can't even find a definition on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.209.209 (talk) 02:59, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Cultural Impact (references in other media)
You've got to be kidding - not one single reference to Beavis and Butt-head? In truth, it's the same for the Beavis and Butt-head article - not a single reference to their apparent favourite band, Gwar. Christopher, Salem, OR (talk) 03:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If you want another example of their cultural impact, try the Wizards of Waverly Place episode "Eat to the Beat" where Alex tries to get "Ucch" to perform in her school's cafeteria. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Rewrite Needed
I've added a few details about the band as well as rewrote the first 2 or 3 paragraphs. It's still really really crap and needs to be thoroughly rewritten. I have to do a little more research first. pogo 4 July 2005 06:45 (UTC)


 * I like what you did so far Pogo. I don't know enough about GWAR to really contribute, but it looks like you are moving in the right direction.  Isotope23 17:20, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


 * This article is getting alot better. I've been watching and adding a little to this article since it's inception and it's gradually becoming something that GWAR fans can be proud of. Keep up the good work, guys. Let's make this the best page on Wikipedia dedicated to the best band in existance.


 * Moved the following paragraph: GWAR has not enjoyed as much mainstream recognition as many other bands. Around the time of their third album (America Must Be Destroyed), they enjoyed a fair deal of success, due in part to Beavis and Butt-head. GWAR's music video 'The Road Behind' was featured on the show and Beavis and Butt-head proclaimed GWAR to be the greatest band of all time. After that, GWAR's popularity waned and they were even featured on the VH1 program Where Are They Now. Though not at the peak of their popularity, GWAR was invited to play on the 2005 Sounds of the Underground tour, and will be playing on it again in 2006. . Fell out of place in the origins section, I have moved it to the intro section, where I think it fits better Nightmare X 19:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * i added a piece on the codename kids next door which i research for a LONG time and found over 10 reading saying that they do the most of the musicCarpathian soilder 16:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)carpathian_soilder


 * No they don't, they did two songs for an episode of the show and that's it, they were altered versions of Gor-Gor and Private Pain of Techno Destructo


 * mybad i did the research and i must have read it wrong sry if i caused some trouble....Carpathian soilder 20:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)carpathian_soilder

Greetings! I'm working in an editathon at Virginia Commonwealth University that's focused on Richmond VA area topics. I'm an English prof, so I'll do some prose cleanup here and there to make the article flow a little more smoothly. Not really a Gwar-ish thing to do, I guess, but I hope it's welcome. Gcampbel (talk) 16:50, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit-warring
Because of all the edit-warring occurring frequently regarding Vulvatron, does anyone agree that the article should be at least semi-protected? ルーカス２００５ 04:36, 30 April 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruukasu2005 (talk • contribs)

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GWARbar
There's a bar here in Richmond (started and owned by the band GWAR) called GWARbar. That's the way the name is spelled outside, on the menus, everywhere. When I search google news for gwarbar, I get this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=gwarbar&client=opera&hs=T3i&sxsrf=ALeKk00ZTnMxYAY8njB40Sxk91VvhRF0Ew:1596560363602&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtt9bqgoLrAhWRlXIEHVxDBY0Q_AUoBHoECBUQBg&biw=1091&bih=689

Every single news article types it as GWARbar. So, is that the way it should look in the GWAR article? In loco parenti (talk) 20:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I explained it directly to you but I'll explain it again, for the sake of this post. Wikipedia doesn't go by how a band or brand writes its trademarked name, regardless of whether newspapers or magazines do so. Wikipedia has it's own rules and guidelines that we follow, even if we don't like or agree with said guidelines. In the case of using all caps logos, Wikipedia treats those names as proper nouns and of course capitalizes the first letter of the name. The other letters do not get capitalized. It was recommended on your talk page that you read MOS:TMRULES that addresses this exact issue but you ignored and deleted the recommendation. In the guidelines recommended, it gives several examples of names always seen in all caps, like the band, Kiss and the company, Sony. If you follow those links, you'll see that, like the Gwar article, they acknowledge right at the beginning that names are typically written in all caps. Other than that, Wikipedia treats the name like any other proper noun. NJZombie (talk) 01:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I suggest a compromise, which respects the "branding" of the restaurant, and our MOS. GWARbar restaurant. I will make my preferred, bold edit....GWARbar restaurant. If the owners wish to name their restaurant GWARbar, four capital letters, and three lowercase, then I think that's what WP should call them. Please accept this as an olive branch.....Regards,  Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect!  02:41, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


 * That would be fine if we didn't have existing guidelines that say otherwise, but we do. Doing it for one opens up a precedent for all that decide to use caps in their titles. What's the point of guidelines if exceptions are made as olive branches? So I have to disagree with this proposed solution. NJZombie (talk) 02:49, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The guideline literally doesn't say what you are claiming. One of the examples on the guideline page is LittleBigPlanet. A combination of upper and lower case letters, just like GWARbar. Tribe of Tiger has made a good recommendation here. In loco parenti (talk) 02:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It does. LittleBigPlanet is a case of camel casing which is how I had GwarBar written. Not the same thing as GWARbar. NJZombie (talk) 02:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * LittleBigPlanet uses that exact capitalization themselves. GWARbar uses that exact capitalization themselves. The page you are promoting so hard says "the style may be used where it reflects general usage" - general usage of LittleBigPlanet is just that way. There's no "general usage" of "GwarBar", so the version you are pushing runs directly contrary to the policy you cited. Thanks for pointing out that you're in error. It's okay, everyone makes mistakes. I forgive you. In loco parenti (talk) 03:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I read MOS:TMRULES, NJZombie. You are lying when you say "you ignored and deleted the recommendation." I read it, then I deleted it. Just like when you deleted everything I asked you about on your talk page. Why is it okay for you to delete things off your talk page, but then you act like I'm doing something wrong when I do the same thing? Never mind, that doesn't matter. In MOS:TMRULES, one of the main examples given of the RIGHT way to deal with this is LittleBigPlanet. Here's the quote from the page: "use: LittleBigPlanet". That's a combination of uppercase and lowercase letters. Just like GWARbar. This is crystal clear. So the exact page you told me to read, says you are wrong about GWARbar. Thank you for pointing out that page to me.In loco parenti (talk) 02:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


 * It's alright for anybody to delete anything off of their own talk page. The discussion belonged here to begin with, not my talk page. I responded on your talk page though and you proceded to post on both of our pages for some reason. The big difference between my deletions on my own page and your deletions on your page was that you attempted to alter the conversation to make it look like we came to some imaginary agreement. Your example of "LittleBigPlanet" is NOT the same thing as what you're doing. In fact, it's called camel casing which is exactly the way I corrected your version of GwarBar on the page before you asked me why I would type it that way. GwarBar is fine. GWARbar is not the same thing as that. NJZombie (talk) 02:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * LittleBigPlanet is exactly how they spell it at that company. GWARbar is exactly how they spell it at their bar, and how all the sources spell it. The only thing about Camel casing it says on that page you cited is "the style may be used where it reflects general usage". Well guess what. GwarBar does not reflect general usage of the bar's name. GWARbar does. But now 2 people have already pointed out to you, so I guess you'll just keep arguing until you get your way. In loco parenti (talk) 03:00, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for bringing up this matter, In loco parenti. The people who run this bar are of course most welcome to use whatever capitalization they wish. But while editing this encyclopedia, we [f]ollow standard English text formatting and capitalization practices, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official" (Manual_of_Style/Trademarks). Therefore "Gwarbar", or if there's some reason for it then "GwarBar". (Incidentally, Trip Advisor has "Gwar Bar".) -- Hoary (talk) 03:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for responding to my plea at the Teahouse. I edit conflicted with you, and lost my laboriously typed (previous) cmt. But you resolved our problem, here. Even tho MOS seems strange to me, in this particular instance, I am satisfied with your “ruling” and thank you for your time.  Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect!  03:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Well I read that page several times now. On that page, there's example like LittleBigPlanet and OxyContin. Wikipedia uses those capitalizations. I went to those articles and looked. I don't see how GWARbar is any different than those cases. I'm sure there are more examples that aren't on that page specifically but I don't know an efficient way to search for them. In loco parenti (talk) 03:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

It's no different than the band Kiss having their coffeehouse in Myrtle Beach. The band ALWAYS writes it as KISS, including on the coffeehouse. Within the Kiss (band)}Kiss article, it is called the Kiss Coffeehouse, per the Manual_of_Style/Trademarks. We don't capitalize it all as KISS in any situation, outside of pointing out at the beginning of the article that it's often written that way.NJZombie (talk) 03:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The band Kiss uses K-I-lightningbolt-lightningbolt. It's completely different from LittleBigPlanet, OxyContin, and GWARbar. Incidentally, a band that does use all caps is NOFX. Wikipedia uses all caps - NOFX. Writing GWARbar is not an exception. It seems to be the norm. In loco parenti (talk) 03:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The example of LittleBigPlanet given is about not using ™ in typing it. However, the use of both caps and lowercase together in one name is camel case in which the first letter of each word in the combined title is capitalized, not the first four letters and then the last three letters. That's the difference. It's done that way to make pronunciation easier.NJZombie (talk) 03:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * LittleBigPlanet is still an example of how Wikipedia respects how something is referred to by everyone. So is OxyContin. So is NOFX. So is 3OH!3 - "OH" is a word, but Wikipedia doesn't make the O, or the H, or both lowercase. You're just grasping as straws now. In loco parenti (talk) 03:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also look at https://ultimateclassicrock.com/kiss-coffeehouse-closing/. They write Kiss Coffeehouse. But every single article about GWARbar writes it as GWARbar. The band Kiss didn't write their own name as all caps either, they used two lightning bolts as the S's. So not relevant. So once again, your example supports the position that wikipedia should write it as GWARbar. In loco parenti (talk) 03:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You continue to point out how bands and newspapers articles refer to things and both myself and Hoary, an administrator, have pointed out to you that it doesn't matter how bands "officially" write their name or how an article refers to it. NJZombie (talk) 03:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * First of all, Hoary has not weighed in on GWARbar specifically. Second of all, what about  Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect!  ? Does his answer to you not count because he disagreed with you? In loco parenti (talk) 03:53, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Except for the line where he wrote "Therefore "Gwarbar", or if there's some reason for it then "GwarBar"." NJZombie (talk) 04:21, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Tribe of Tiger has since responded to Hoary's post above.NJZombie (talk) 04:03, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I respect that Hoary came to this discussion to point out a policy, and did it really nicely, unlike you, who have been bullying me from my first edit and acting like you're superior. So I would really like to hear from Hoary what he thinks about LittleBigPlanet, OxyContin, NOFX, 3OH!3, and GWARbar, if he feels that he has an opinion to offer. He seems like a much more reasonable person that isn't looking to dominate another person trying to edit an article. In loco parenti (talk) 03:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You've never been bullied by anybody. You're a new user unfamiliar with a guideline who made a change who got reverted. That's fine, it happens to many new users. You've handled it with anger comments like "uh look up the name of the actual bar bully" after the first revert I made. NJZombie (talk) 04:00, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


 * What do I think about "LittleBigPlanet, OxyContin, NOFX, 3OH!3, and GWARbar"? I don't think I need repeat myself about Gwarbar. "LittleBigPlanet" seems unnecessarily gimmicky to me, but it squares with the MOS page, as do "OxyContin" and the strange "3OH!3". A quick look through the article on "NOFX" doesn't show how the name is pronounced: /noʊfks/ is phonotactically impossible in English; if it's instead "en oh eff eks" then "NOFX". NJZombie has pointed out that I'm an administrator. True, but this doesn't and shouldn't mean that my interpretations of MOS pages carry any more weight than do those of any other experienced editor. Being an administrator, I do have the ability to do various things. Notably, I can block users. I'm unlikely to block anyone here and one reason is that I've already participated other than as an administrator. Anyway, neither quibbling nor sounding affronted is in itself a blockable offence. That said, may I point out that it's silly to ask a question ("Why is it okay for you [...]?") and follow it immediately with "Never mind, that doesn't matter." Worse is "Thanks for pointing out that you're in error" in response to no such pointing out. In loco parenti, please think hard before you write anything on this talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 05:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC) minor emendation Hoary (talk) 00:40, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, my mention of you being an administrator was simply in pointing out that you were someone who would have some familiarity with MOS, perhaps more so than the average user, whether new or established. NJZombie (talk) 05:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

RfC about GwarBar vs GWARbar
In reference to the section directly above this one, titled GWARbar, do the guidelines support the name being expressed as GWARbar or GwarBar/Gwarbar? NJZombie (talk) 07:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * GWARbar. That is the way that every article about the bar capitalizes it. It is the way the bar writes its own name. Wikipedia guidelines on odd capitalizations apparently support the use of LittleBigPlanet right on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Trademarks page. There do not appear, to me, to be any conflicts with the Wikipedia policy by writing GWARbar - there are articles titled NOFX, 3OH!3, OxyContin, oOoOO, so this is really no different. In loco parenti (talk) 11:13, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * GwarBar or Gwarbar MOS:TMRULES calls for trademarked names with non-traditional capitalization methods to be expressed as proper nouns normally would, starting with a capital letter followed by lowercase letters. If it makes it easier to read, camel case style can be used. The example of LittleBigPlanet is actually an example of the suggested camel case as the artwork on the game itself is shown as "LittleBIGPlanet." Wikipedia does not capitalize "BIG" despite it being the way the game logo is officially presented. We also don't use all caps on articles like Sony, Kiss (a name that band always expresses in capital letters) or even the band Gwar itself within the same article this bar is being mentioned. So why would we only use caps on GWARbar when we don't use it on the band name? We also don't let news articles or even a band's (or restaurant's) official website dictate how Wikipedia handles capitalization. NJZombie (talk) 13:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


 * GwarBar or Gwarbar as specified in MOS:TMRULES. In my view has it exactly correct here. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:40, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I wish we didn't follow the TMRULES, as I think it's stupid that we don't call a spade a SPADE like Kiss should be KISS and Gwar should be GWAR. But, c'est la vie. Turns out it's trademarked as GWARBAR per http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4802:rmqdlg.2.1 and is used as GWARbar and GWARBAR on the website. Funny enough, NOFX is not listed in the trademark system. Anyway, I'm going to also side with  on this one. If we don't use "GWAR" in the article we should just call it GwarBar and mention that it's stylized as GWARBAR in the paragraph. We also don't call Balsac the Jaws of Death, what his name really is: BälSäc The Jaws 'O Death. So, I guess we have to suck it up...or die at the hands of GWAR aka Gwar. Missvain (talk) 22:26, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No all-caps, per MOS:TMRULES. Nightscream (talk) 15:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Teeny weeny, itsy bitsy It's a bad system, but an existing one, what's good for mistyping "Bloodmoney" will do to rewrite "Gwarbar". InedibleHulk (talk) 20:06, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Get Wasted At Restaurant bar? Get wasted at restaurant Bar? Both sound like a plan!  Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect!  04:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Gwar Bar (though I'd be weakly okay with GwarBar or Gwarbar). Specifically, MOS:TMRULES allows all caps ONLY in cases where the name is an initialism (or used to be one), or where the standard case version can't be found in reliable sources. Based on the guidance in MOS:TMRULES, I'd also consider the combined name ("GwarBar" or "Gwarbar") to be a stylization of the name - in particular CamelCase is allowed both where it affects general usage and makes the term more clear. In this case, a quick search shows that "GwarBar" is NOT in common usage. After GWARBar, the most common usage is "Gwar Bar", so I think that's most consistent with MOS:TMRULES: See https://www.google.com/search?q="gwarbar" and https://www.google.com/search?q="gwar+bar". Arathald (talk) 02:22, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the broken google links, I couldn't figure out how to get those to behave properly. Arathald (talk) 02:24, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Disambig needed
This page is linked from Sonderkommando, so obviously there's a different meaning of "Gwar" not covered here! --Theodore Kloba 19:43, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * It has now been discovered that the link from a page about Nazi death camp workers (or whatever) was a little bit of "funniness" from an anon. A google search shows no use of the word/acronym "GWAR" in relation to Nazis. The link from Sonderkommando has been removed. Lachatdelarue (talk) 00:39, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Check Talk:Sonderkommando. I've linked the Gwar song "Sonderkommando" to the article. --Theodore Kloba 15:37, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

The lore?
Why does this wiki not have a section for their in universe lore? I'd think it would. 2001:1970:5D69:E700:3595:66CC:9588:B637 (talk) 03:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)