Talk:Gymnastics/Archive 1

Vandal
This person vandalised this article. -Cinnaspice —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Lovers
Hey Gymnastics lovers! I love gymnastics too. Its the BEST!!! See you later! Love, Butterfingers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Removal of info on chalk
I have removed the info on chalk and grips in the uneven bar section. Chalk is used in many events, although not as consistently on the bars. Still it seems unnecessary to include so much info on it here. The use of grips may fit under a topic on apparel/protection for the gymnast.

History
The caption for the picture says "1908 Summer Olympics in London:. Display of the British women's gymnastics team" but in the body of the text it says "During the 1920s, women organized and participated in gymnastics events, and the first women's Olympic competition – primitive, for it involved only synchronized calisthenics - was held at the 1928 Games in Amsterdam." How can the first women's olympic competition be in 1928 but have a picture of them in 1908?Alex25 (talk) 04:24, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Extended
I've extended the gymnastics page somewhat by including references to the various gymnastics disciplines (Artistic, Aerobics, Trampolining..) At some point the disciplines should get their own separate pages, and the main gymnastics page can just be a gateway. In gymnastics you can express yourself in the ways you love!!!

As suggested, I started the separating. anobo 01:58 22 May 2003 (UTC)

Is Sports Acrobatics and Acrobatics the same? I thought about floor acrobatics... anobo 02:04 22 May 2003 (UTC)

No definitely not! Acrobatics comprises circus-type performance elements (trapeze, high-wire etc), whereas sports acrobatics is always done on a padded floor. There are similarities though, for example acrobatics and sports acrobatics both are done in groups and both may incorporate flight skills. -Lavishluau

Do most gymnast girls have six pack abs? well, yes, if you work hard enough you will have a six pack maybe more you must do your exercises correctly in order to earn your six pack. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gymnast0960 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Why isn't there an article on flexibility?


 * There are related articles on stretching, static stretching, PNF stretching and contortion that have information on flexibility. If you want an article, start one, and someone might add to it. GUllman 03:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Flexibility is now a stub article. Feel free to contribute what you know and what you can research to it. GUllman 17:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Chalk
Is the chalk used for the grip magnesia or magnesium carbonate or calcium carbonate? I had always bars of little weight which looked more like magnesium oxide (magnesia usta) than anything else. Stone 15:44, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe, that it is made of magnesium carbonate, see e.g. Cmapm 00:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Missing topics
Due to the personal preference I'm editing mostly artistic gymnastics-related pages, and I don't plan to expand this article in the future. But I should like to leave a little review from my POV to give a few hints of what could be done to improve the article.
 * A history section is necessary. Ancient history is covered pretty well in articles like gymnasium (ancient Greece) and Ancient Olympic Games. The section should be mostly focused on the modern history IMHO. I personally should like to see a short summary including the following points
 * when and where each of gymnastics disciplines (e.g. rhythmic gymnastics) originated
 * how did the popularity of each event change throughout the history as compared to other ones (e.g. rhythmic vs artistic gymnastics).
 * Short summaries of disciplines should be expanded (for rhythmic gymnastics no summary at all so far!) to include the following:
 * short description of events/apparatuses/competition format (not just for artistic gymnastics, as it is now)
 * when major competitions (e.g. World Championships) were held for the first time
 * when was a discipline included into Olympic programme
 * which national teams were/are dominant in the event

No hope, that any of these issues will be addressed in the nearest future. Keeping in mind, that the discussion was focused on the chalk and other minor questions so far. I just want to let folks know, that the article as it stands is not good by far, at least in my view. Cmapm 11:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Renamed Sports Acro to Acrobatic Gymnastics
Following the FIG convention, I've renamed Sports Acrobatics to Acrobatic Gymnastics. I created a redirect page so Acrobatic Gymnastics goes to Acrobatics (just like the Sports Acrobatics redirect. Donagh McCabe 18:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Accuracy
From my understanding, in women's gymnastics, floor routines cannot exceed 90 seconds in length, and the perfect score of 10.0 no longer applies in elite level gymnastics (let alone the balance beam). Can someone clarify this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Etoncal (talk • contribs) 00:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC).
 * You're right on both counts: FX routines must be 1:30 minutes/90 seconds or shorter. The 10.0 scoring system is no longer used in elite/international gymnastics, but does still exist in lower level competition and the NCAA. I'll take a look at the section and see what I can do to punch it up. DanielEng 16:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

What about discussion of stunted growth (height)?
Gymnastics stunting growth. I dont think its mentioned in this article; perhaps it is in another. But I thought it would be a key concept to add. Here is a link to some good information regarding it. 72.202.129.98 01:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * This may be true for gymnasts at a very high level, however there is a strong cause/effect argument, ie maybe smaller gymnasts do better as it is easier for them to control their bodies and they can be supported more easily? Growth stunting certainly isn't an issue for lower level gymnasts, training for, say under 7hrs per week! -Unsigned
 * That is wrong. I am 15 years old and 5'2, and i train 5.5 hours a week. Its not genetic, my parents are 5'10. =Unsigned
 * You're still growing!!-DMCer (talk) 00:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm 14 a level 7 and train 9 hours a week and am 5'5. I am pretty tall for a gymnast considering my friends that are the same age as me are 5'0 and 5'2. I only started growing about 2 years ago though, i used to be very short for my age. Most gymnasts are under 5'5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.119.163 (talk) 22:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Training even 20 hours per week is usually not enough to stunt a gymnast's growth. There are obvious reasons for smaller than average height in female gymnasts, such as the fact that having a lower center of gravity means shorter girls succeed more often than taller girls - it's the nature of the sport, and talent can certainly overcome that tendency. But when a gymnast trains for many hours per day, the intensive schedule can affect her hormones and puberty can be delayed, thus affecting her height.Gymnast12345 (talk) 03:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Injuries
I removed the scoring information from the events, since these points are discussed in much greater detail on the apparatus' individual pages.

Also, I removed the lines about injuries: gymnastics is considered dangerous not soley because of the height of the apparatus, but because of the high speed, impact and nature of the exercises. Considering the facts that close to 100% of elite gymnasts deal with at least one serious injury during their careers, over half end up having at least one major operation to fix an injury--not to mention the propensity for eating disorders, stunted growth, osteoarthritis and other maladies--I didn't find that information to be particularly accurate. DanielEng 03:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Links to other languages
Should the German link be changed towards the topic Turnen instead of Gymnastik? as the latter is more related to aerobics/exercise? I think we got one of those "false friends" here in translation.VRS 06:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Gymnastic
Gymnastic is very much fine game as well exercise for the fundamental of health caring practices —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.29.193.243 (talk) 08:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

Caution section
It was brought to my notice that the first section of this article was the section with cautions on the dangers of the sport. It didn't seem an appropriate way of constructing the article. I therefore moved the caution-section to the bottom of the article. Now the article starts off with discussing the different forms of athletics. Dr bab 11:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Gymnastics Wikiproject
I have proposed a gymnastics wikiproject. If you are interested, please check it out. Help is needed. Wikiproject Gymnastics Thanx  Maddie  was here  23:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Gymnastics abs
How do gymnast girls have such amazing abs? It seems like every gymnast girl I know has a 6 or 8 pack abs. Is that pretty common? Even 11-12 year old gymnast girls, you can see their 6 pack abs through their leotards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.228.245.45 (talk) 22:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's try to keep this on-topic, but to answer your question (since it's common): Gymnasts (both male and female) are well-known for having large, defined muscles. This is because the sport requires an extremely high-level of strength to accomplish advanced moves. An experienced gymnast will develop well-defined abs over time. It's also interesting to note that gymnasts very rarely lift weights; in gymnastics, you're lifting your body, and that's where the muscle-building resistance comes in. Back to the article ;-). -DMCer (talk) 00:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Beatboard vs spring board
I have seen it marketed with either name and beat board is used in gyms in some places ... for example this blog... more advanced coaches discussing handspring fronts(vault).I personnally am not attached either way but possibly using both terms might be more accurate.(olive (talk) 14:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC))
 * Heh, I just read a Britanica article that called it a "Reuther board''; I basically did what Littleolive suggested.--DMCer (talk) 17:51, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Calorie intake (food consumption)
A new section about food consumption of gymnasts should be included. At present, most gymnasts consume only 1000 kcal/day (see this site) This is far lower than most people that do not exercice at all (most people consume 2500-3000 kcal/day). KVDP (talk) 07:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Remedial/therapeutic gymnastics
One article I found on here, Georges Hébert links to a proposed article called remedial gymnastics. I googled this term and found it is used synonymously with therapeutic gymnastics. A sample explanation of this is here. I am not sure there is enough data on either of these terms for them to deserve their own articles. I was thinking of redirecting these terms to the 'gymnastics' page for now (until they grow enough for them to warrant their own article, such as if they began to detract from this own by becoming too predominant) and to have them direct to a new section that could be created to mention the use of simple gymnastics as a form of therapy or remedy. I would title the section Gymnastics or something along those lines. Possibly 'therapuetical' or something, I'm not sure if that's actually a proper conjugation. It seems a bit long but it might look better if both terms ended in -al. But anyway, would anyone be adverse to my adding a section addressing this concept and to redirect the terms here, or would you prefer they be added to a new article? In either case, I would prefer to have some input from someone who is familiar with this article to give some feedback before I proceed. Of course, feel free to add such a section (or new article) yourself, if you agree or disagree with adding it here. But if someone could just voice what they think is the best way to proceed then I'd be willing to do it, based on what I can find on the concepts online. Tyciol (talk) 18:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think this would be fine since this article is about the general area called gymnastics and includes for example history and so on. If the section becomes too long, then at that time it could be moved and made into its own article.(olive (talk) 19:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC))

Inaccuracy
In the opening paragraph, the article states that vault is a women-only event, but this is not true, as the balance of the article indicates. Men do not, however, perform the uneven bars.

I would have fixed this error myself, but the article is protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dumbhick (talk • contribs) 17:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Futhermore, in the same paragraph, the balance beam is mentioned without noting that this event it not for men. We could probably just move the parenthetical "(for women)" to after "balance beam" and remove it from after "vault". I would agree about differentiating between uneven parallel bars (even for men, uneven for women). Tunestreet (talk) 03:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Still Rings Mount
The section on Still Rings under Men's discusses mounts and dismounts, and how they affect the gymnast's score. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mount for Still Rings an assist from a spotter? I haven't watched Men's in a few years (usually don't catch it because I'm watching Women's), but I'm pretty sure I remember that the mount is basically a spotter (usually the coach) lifting while the gymnast jumps up and grabs the rings.

If this is true, we should probably remove that line since it's misleading and slightly incorrect. I don't want to change it yet just in case I'm wrong - if I'm right, go right ahead. :o)

SkittlzAnKomboz (talk) 19:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

This is true. There are no "mounts" for rings. Gymnasts are lifted up and stopped [from swinging] by the coach. There is a 0.3 deduction by E-jury for a "pre-swing". Swinging mounts are however, in the current code (2009) allowed on highbar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.107.202.169 (talk) 16:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

suggested changes

 * Floor exercise : Male gymnasts also perform on a 12m X 12m sprung floor, however unlike the women's event, men's routines are performed without music. Routines usually consist of four tumbling passes that will total between 60–70 seconds. The gymnast must also demonstrate flexibility, strength and balance, performing skills such as the splits, scales, and press to handstands.  Rules require that gymnasts touch each corner of the floor at least once during their routine.

I have improved grammar and syntax, and edited a bit. Circles are not a compulsory skill on floor where as flexibility (almost always the splits) are. --Aniish72 (talk) 14:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Link
This article references Artistic Gymnastics and is the mother article. There is no reason to not connect the article to Olympic sports. Perhaps discuss before deleting again.(olive (talk) 14:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC))

Equipment manufacturers and software
Do we really need these long lists of mostly red linked corporations. It smacks of advertising to me. ==Gymnastics equipment manufacturers==
 * Acromat (Australia)
 * AAI (USA)
 * Alder & Eisenhut (Switzerland)
 * Bänfer (Germany)
 * GES (France)
 * Continental (UK)
 * Fonti (Italy)
 * Gotthilf Benz Turngerätefabrik (Germany)
 * Gymnova (France)
 * INI gym
 * Janssen-Fritsen (Pays-Bas)
 * Nouansport (France)
 * O'Jump (France)
 * SA Sport International (Canada)
 * Senoh (Japan)
 * Spieth Anderson (Germany)
 * Stöhr Turn- und Sportgeräte (Germany)
 * Taishan Sports Equipment Group (China)
 * Tianjin Chunhe Athletic (China)

==Gymnastics Class Management Software Makers== Dabbler (talk) 22:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * iClassPro (International)
 * Visual Class Soft (USA)
 * Jack Rabbit Class (USA)
 * ProSchool (USA)
 * ActiveNet
 * ZipGym (USA)
 * Balance 2000
 * Class Manager
 * ClubLink
 * Gym Assistant
 * GymSoft
 * iGo
 * GymSTAR
 * Atlantic Associates

Gymnast and Events
Gymnast

Nastia Liukin, Shawn Johnson, Alica Sacramone, Samantha Perez, Carly Patterson, Paul Hamm, Johnathan Horton, Nadia Comaneci

Events

Bars( uneven parrell, high, parrell), Beam, Horse, Mushroom, Floor, Vault, Rings, Trameline and Tumble Track —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.212.146 (talk) 21:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Women's Artistic
The section under ; Levels and Scoring: seems to be very US-centric not worldwide as this article should be. I do not know WAG very well but I suggest that it be re-written to reflect a more generic POV. Dabbler (talk) 13:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought this too. I know the British levels are VERY different and I think it is actually the other way round i.e. level 1 is the best but I think this might just be the school system. I can't really find any info and I don't know because I am an adult beginner but most info is US related, but the info here does not say it is US only, which I think it should at least. Does anyone know how the British level system works or add any info? Sweetie candykim (talk) 23:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

There is an article Code of Points (artistic gymnastics) already, maybe this ought to be main point of reference with this article referring to it? Also the main code that ought be referred to is the FIG code which will govern international competition. Each national governing body will then have its own take. DaveK@BTC (talk) 08:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Bot Archiving
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Edit request from Mchialastri, 4 May 2010
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Reference for "For optional levels 10, and elite, three routines are required - one for balance, one for dynamic, and one combined routine."

Mchialastri (talk) 16:25, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
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Recreational Gymnastics
I'm interested in posting more information about recreational gymnastics. I am a current gymnastics coach and have been coaching for four years now. I coach recreational gymnastics as well as preschool aged gymnastics and an adult class which can be considered recreational gymnastics. I think that recreational gymnastics has an extrememly huge impact when considering competive gymnastics. A gymnast must start gymnastics at some sort of recreational level, an individual does not immediately start at the competitive level or elite level. I think it is important to know about this part of gymnastics. Kimmyhobbs (talk) 05:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Training
I think a section on Training would be helpful as many people don't what sort of training goes in to being a gymnast.Gymsport (talk) 03:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Intro
I've barely started reading this article, but I can see the second paraphraph needs editing. The last sentence isn't making sense. I'm making an note here for a bit first in case someone wants to provide input before it gets edited. Uberveritas (talk) 17:16, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Too much detail
It strikes me that this article which is already pretty long could be tightened up by removing much of the detail from the individual sports which have their own articles linked to this one.

Do we really need descriptions of every event in WAG and MAG and every apparatus in Rhythmic Gymnastics when they are very well described on the individual sport pages? Unless I hear some very good reasons not to, I will be looking at editing out much of the detail from this article where it is adequately covered by subsidiary articles. Dabbler (talk) 20:03, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Floor Exercise
After looking over the floor exercise section, I think it would be beneficial to the community to provide a more detailed description of press handstands. I may take it upon myself to import some information regarding press handstands. Bracherr (talk) 18:29, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

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Removed unsourced content per BLP
I'm removing this section until it can be sourced and checked per BLP. Right now this section is unsourced and provides a place where any gymnast can be added whatever their calibre.(Littleolive oil (talk) 16:04, 9 December 2015 (UTC))

Actually I'm ot even sure this belongs in this article and in this section. Perhaps if slanted towards info on something about perfect scores, and as a short summary, since its been placed in the scoring section.....(Littleolive oil (talk) 16:12, 9 December 2015 (UTC))

''==== Notable Olympic Gymnasts ====

There are many Olympic gymnasts who have made notable contributions to the sport. At the 1976 Summer Olympics, Nadia Comaneci was the first gymnast to score a perfect 10.0 on an event. Not only did she score one perfect 10.0, but went on to perform several more perfect routines. Today, however, the 10.0 system is no longer used as it was changed in 2006.

Kerri Strug is another example of an influential gymnast. In the 1996 Olympics, she received a gold medal on vault after breaking her ankle on the previous attempt. Her vault still serves as an inspiration to gymnasts around the world and sets an example or perseverance and determination. Strug was one member of the all- around gold medal USA team at the Atlanta Olympics in 1996 along with Amanda Borden, Amy Chow, Dominique Dawes, Shannon Miller, Dominique Moceanu and Jaycie Phelps. Also in that Olympics, Shannon Miller (USA) won the gold medal on the balance beam, Lilia Podkopayeva (UKR) won the gold medal on the floor exercise, Svetlana Khorkina (RUS) won the gold medal on the uneven bars, and Simona Amanar (ROU) won the gold medal on the vault.

Another notable gymnast is Li Lu, from China. She competed in the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona. She received a gold medal on the bars with a score of 10.0. She is the most recent gymnast to have scored a perfect score in the Olympics.

The 2000 Olympics in Sydney as well as the 2004 Olympics in Athens were both won by Romanian teams in the all-around team category. Notable gold medal winners from these teams include Simona Amanar, the all-around individual winner in 2000, and Catalina Ponor on balance beam and floor exercise in 2004. The all-around individual winner of the 2004 Olympics was Carly Patterson (USA).

The 2008 Beijing Olympics, the China team won the all-around team gold medal with gymnasts Yang Yilin, Cheng Fei, Jiang Yuyuan, Deng Linlin, He Kexin and Li Shanshan. Although they were not on this all-around gold medal team, other notable gymnasts in the 2008 Olympics were Anastasia Liukin and Shawn Johnson from the United States. Anastasia (Nastia) was the all-around individual gold medalist in these Olympic games. On balance beam, Shawn Johnson received a gold medal with Anastasia receiving silver. They received silver and bronze respectively on floor exercise. Nastia also came in second place on the uneven bars.

The most recent group of gymnasts to win the gold medal as a team was another team from the United States in the 2012 London Olympics. This team included Gabrielle Douglas, Jordyn Wieber, Alexandra Raisman, Kyla Ross and McKayla Maroney. Gabrielle Douglas was the all-around individual gold medalist in 2012. Additionally, Alexandra Raisman also placed first on the floor exercise to receive a gold medal for the United States. Other gold medal winners during this Olympics include Deng Linlin (CHN) on the balance beam, Alya Mustafina (RUS) on the uneven bars and Sandra Izbasa (ROU) on the vault.

''

Draft outline
There's a draft for an outline of gymnastics at WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of gymnastics if anyone is interested. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear Ricky81682, I've added some links. Good bye! --NaBUru38 (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Greece/Spain
Gymnastics can be traced to Greece thus the Greek name for the sport. I see there is a history in this article of trying to insert Spain as the beginning of the sport. I suspect this is ongoing vandalism. I have books on the subject but will have to go to an not- at- home office library to find it / them. Thanks.(Littleolive oil (talk) 00:46, 18 April 2017 (UTC))

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Parkour in Gymnastics article
Moved from user talk page(Littleolive oil (talk) 02:07, 4 February 2018 (UTC))

''Hey, so as I clearly mentioned in my addition I realize the move is controversial but I showed two sources that show the FIG is incorporating Parkour as a gymsport. Was there something else I should have done? I hope you can see rom my past edits to the page I care about gymnastics. I personally don't agree with Parkour being a gymsport but the FIG outranks me in every significant way. And if you care about gymnastics I'm sure you know abut the FIG. I'm assuming good faith and asking what I can do to improve my edits. Thank you :) -Rainbowofpeace (talk) 00:20, 4 February 2018 (UTC)


 * You edits are not sourced and are also added to a section that is not about Parkour. You must have sources especially if content is challenged. In this case if you can source to FIG that would an acceptable source for the first competition in Parkour but I would also add any newspaper articles about parkour at the Olympics. I would also check out WP:RS and WP:V for an understanding of how Wikipedia asks that content be added. Best.(Littleolive oil (talk) 02:01, 4 February 2018 (UTC))

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 * http://www.fig-gymnastics.com/site/page/view?id=933 and http://www.fig-gymnastics.com/site/rules/disciplines/pk are directly from the FIG showing the rules and the history of the sport and its involement with the FIG. Along with that http://www.fig-gymnastics.com/site/figNews/view?id=1970 and http://www.fig-gymnastics.com/site/figNews/view?id=1980 are press releases and news on the subject within the FIG. The FIG has held one world cup tournament so far and you can see from the sources they are holding three in 2018, another three in 2019 and the first World Championships in 2020. They are also trying to get Parkour as a gymnastics sport for the 2024 Olympics in Tokyo. My first two sources were actually completely included in the edits I made. All of these sources come directly from the FIG which I believe is the highest body for most forms of gymnastics.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 04:20, 4 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Unless I'm missing something you did not add these sources to the article. As well, you've added the content to the Rhythmic Gymnastic

section.(Littleolive oil (talk) 15:41, 4 February 2018 (UTC))


 * I think you are. The only thing I added to the Rhythmic Gymnastics section was a sentence about the World Championships and Olympics for Rhythmic Gymnastics. I also added a sentence about that to each of the other non-Artistic Gymnastics sections in the FIG disciplines. It was probably a mistake and you didn't look at the whole edit. Could you look carefully at my edits and undo the undo if you agree. Thank you.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 16:52, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Exactly. You didn't add the source. You must also add a source to the article with the edit you added.(Littleolive oil (talk) 17:35, 4 February 2018 (UTC))


 * I'm happy to help with that... Just let me know.:O)(Littleolive oil (talk) 20:57, 4 February 2018 (UTC))


 * OK. I see what you added. I have had a problems with my computer today loading pages so I think the last part of the page didn't load and I didn't see the Parkour section. I'll look tomorrow and see what was added. So sorry for the confusion.(Littleolive oil (talk) 03:02, 5 February 2018 (UTC))

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2018
Laura Yatsuhashi is the best gymnast in MassachusettsE Laurayatsuhashi (talk) 02:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That is your opinion and does not belong on Wikipedia. Gulumeemee (talk) 04:17, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

History
There is nothing in history section on different systems. There was gymnastic renaissance in 19th century and different systems developed, most prominent ones were swedish (by Pehr Henrik Ling), czech (Tyrs´ Sokol system), german and french. Now I see there is a connected article Battle of the Systems. 213.149.61.214 (talk) 10:21, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Possible reorganization of article
Gymnastic can be divided: and
 * competitive
 * artistic, rhythmic, acrobatic, aerobic, trampolining, tumbling, parkour
 * FIG
 * Non FIG


 * functional - also called medical, therapeutic, remedial, corrective; aims to repair physical condition deteriorated by illness, deformity, injury or work onesidedness
 * aesthetic
 * applied - for developing special abilities needed for other sports, for example skiing 213.149.61.214 (talk) 10:39, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Basic definition lacking
There is nothing in the opening paragraph that says what gymnastics IS. It starts by saying it is "a sport that requires balance, strength, flexibility, agility, coordination and endurance" and goes on to say what muscles and skills are developed in gymnastics, but these requirements and effects are things that could be said of almost any sport. We get the start of an idea at the end of the para: "Gymnastics evolved from exercises used by the ancient Greeks that included skills for mounting and dismounting a horse, and from circus performance skills." There must be some more specific way of describing what gymnastics is, some taxonomy it fits into (not a ball sport, not a game-based sport...). Something about executing movements that involve balancing one's own bodyweight, often using apparatus? Faff296 (talk) 22:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

other forms
Are Trapeze and Aerial silk also forms of gymnastics? 213.149.62.12 (talk) 22:55, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes and no. Trapeze and Aerial silk along with several other circus acts are a form of circus acrobatics. The line between acrobatics (using the general term here not specific gymnastics term) and gymnastics is thin and fuzzy. I think for the sake of this article we should stick to competitive gymnastics and general gymnastics because its recognized by the FIG. -Rainbowofpeace (talk) 11:00, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Trampolining and Tumbling
Separating tumbling from Trampoline Gymnastics is odd but I can live with that however the Tumbling section is now huge as big as Acrobatic, Aerobic Gymnastics and Parkour combined. Also it is not nor has it ever been called the Trampoline and Tumbling World Championships. Tumbling is an event at the Trampoline Gymnastics World Championships. If you go to the FIG official website and click on Disciplines you will see that Tumbling is under Trampoline Gymnastics. I make two suggestions a) remove the common elements in Tumbling. That fit much better on the Tumbling (gymnastics) article. b) Infuse Trampolining and its sub-discipline Tumbling under Trampolining and Tumbling or Trampoline and Tumbling or even better yet Trampoline Gymnastics and Tumbling. -Rainbowofpeace (talk) 16:18, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Coaching
Coaching in gymnastics must include the multiple aspects of gymnastics; competitive gymnastics is only one area. What has been added to the article is based on one source and is being used to colour all of gymnastics. If we want to add content about coaching in all of gymnastics, a huge world-wide topic (this source is US centric another problem)-there are many sources with greater reliability, for example studies, than a New York Times article. I am taking a break from Wikipedia so will not shorten or deal with this section at the moment but will later unless someone else gets there first. Littleolive oil (talk) 11:50, 8 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I'll try to add informations about Carrasco. We've been using his methods for years in non-competitive gymnastic (Quebec). JenyxGym (talk) 15:10, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Aside: as long as content is WP: RS and adheres to WP:WEIGHT. Littleolive oil (talk) 16:54, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

'''Removing this as undue weight-one aspect with use of one source: '''

US competitive gymnastics
Coaching in gymnastics has a relatively poor reputation. Compared with other sports, gymnastics coaches are more likely to use outdated, authoritarian, ineffective, and harmful training styles, including:


 * yelling and verbal abuse,
 * body shaming,
 * punishing mistakes (such as requiring calisthenics if a skill is not performed correctly), and
 * forcing gymnasts to train and perform while injured.

This approach to coaching is not based on the scientific evidence about sports psychology and does not improve gymnast performance. Instead, it increases the likelihood that gymnasts will quit at a younger age. The authoritarian, obedience-oriented culture has resulted in abuse and scandals such as the USA Gymnastics sex abuse scandal.

Parkour competitions
The section on Parkour says: The FIG is planning to run World Cup competitions from 2018 onwards and will hold the first Parkour World Championships in 2020.

It's now 2021. Neither 2018, nor 2020 are in the future. Did the plans happen? Either way, this statement is badly out of date. 62.216.5.216 (talk) 15:50, 29 September 2021 (UTC)