Talk:HAZWOPER

HAZWOPER
The orgin to widespread accepted use was initiate in the preamble of the HAZWOPER Standard in the Federal Register. DHCHICAGO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.75.255.201 (talk • contribs) 06:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually HAZWOPER is now an international term for persons who clean up the environment or respond to emergencies like this one http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25081388 an Airplane Crash or clean up places that may be in remote regions of the world. Their is also EPA 311 and USACOE EM385 and other sources that cite HAZWOPER beyond OSHA. In some cases others who are not regulated by OSHA have adopted the term and certify workers by qualified consultants for example in the United Arab Emirates like certain Global indenity's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.75.255.201 (talk) 05:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, it was the intent of the Standard to follow the training that originally was done for EPA employees. See The Environmental Protection agencies EPA Standard Operationg Safety Guide Manual It was mandated by the US congress the EPA and OSHA work together to insure the safety of workers on the growing problems of environmental issues such as contamination.

Many countries adopt United States HAZWOPER Standard and modify them for their own use or it is manadated to be followed by large contractors doing war clean-ups like Bechtel National. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.4.24 (talk • contribs) 00:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, the global changes and the jet age has transformed so that many US based companies who have HAZWOPER trained personnel now operate abroad. However poverty in such places puts a restriction on environmental focus of clean-ups that are expensive. In some coutries there may be war or corruption that creates financial ruin. The result is there are not funds to pay for such clean-ups. Even in the USA it is true as some sites are not as high of priority becuase the contractors who do the clean-ups must be profitable to survive. Often there are lay offs of HAZWOPER personal who are not on a billable environmental clean-up. The environmental adgenda is critical for HAZWOPER's to work and remain employed. For example one of the most contaminated rivers is a flow channel through the middle of Cebu City in the Philippines under Macarther Street is filled stagnet with debris and filty water where miquitos prevail and results in outbreaks of Deunge or dises from misquito bites and contaminations runs to the Ocean. A local Mactan Philippines dive shop Boyla dive shop and others removed 5 tons of debris from the diving areas last year. This is similiar to President Bush promoting earth day

Now they are starting a new coast guard rescue training for airplane water crashes a HAZWOPER adgenda becuase of fires or explosions.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.4.24 (talk • contribs) 01:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Wrong focus?
The standard is not what HAZWOPER is in modern times the acronym is representative cliché of the big picture of environmental clean-up work and workers although that work in the USA is regulated by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. The "environmentalist agenda" can be defined by the environmental movement and its outcomes like their being a day called Earth Day. Hazardous Waste Operations and Emergency Response is what HAZWOPER is so because such matters are hazardous when the environment has to be cleaned up Mike Moore and others in the standards division of OSHA back the onset of these environmentalist Movement as depicted on the cover of every major magazine in the USA a picture of Earth Day and to many articles to mention herein. Since I originated the page for HAZWOPER on WIKIPEDIA then I am knowledgeable to follow the page. I am creditable enough to say the Environmental Protection Agency in the USA had already began HAZWOPER activities and had a environmental agenda long before the OSHA regulation. Furthermore the DOE clean-up of Hanford serves to prove that too, HAZWOPER Operation were are and continue to be in the big picture an environmentalist agenda for the site and the clean up effort.

In fact USEPA had the EPA Standard Safety Operation Guidelines before the OSHA 29 CFR 1910.120 : Publication 9285.1-03, PB92 - 963414, June 1992 to use and train the EPA Agencies employees before OSHA's HAZWOPER standard March 6, 1991. The environmentalist spearheaded movements to gain support of the government to do clean ups early on like Hooker Chemical's Love Canal, The Valley of the Drums in Kentucky. Therein is the gist of this Talk. Such events can not be ignored on this page because they are part of the BIG HAZWOPER picture and by the way how the standard came to be after the USA, Superfund Amendments and Reauthorization Act (SARA). However for the benefit of the writer below. I agree that such other aspects of the environmentalist agenda should be posted as links. As long as the term is not butchered to be only a USA OSHA thing because in fact HAZWOPER workers and Operations do occur in offshore water like the MACONDO 252 Deep Water Horizon Drill Rig Explosion, other Marine incidents and Military War Clean ups.

In addition, there should be a new part added to the page for financial spending on HAZWOPER operations in the USA, Military Base Clean Up in aftermath of War Abroad by US Contractors, and International Funds used to clean up hazardous waste site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HAZWOPERINTERNATIONAL (talk • contribs) 20:26, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

It seems like at some point this article was changed to reflect an environmentalist agenda rather than keeping it closely tied to OSHA. I've removed some of the more obvious POV for now. -- Dachannien TalkContrib 14:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * 68.75.255.201 removed this comment at 16:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC) with the edit summary “(→‎Wrong focus?: removed irrelevant argument)”. Guidance for editing others’ comments suggests that constructive comments should not be removed without public, written permission of their authors; seeing none, I’ve restored it to the talk page. —Benjamin Barenblat (talk) 20:24, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Crash and rescue / WMD
A fire, explosion or a chemical exposure make for an emegency. Crashes like an airplane are often such emergencies.

Recent deadliest plane crashes

July 17, 2007: TAM Linhas Aereas Airbus A320 skids off runway while landing in rainstorm and hits building in Sao Paulo, Brazil, killing all 187 people on board and 12 on ground.

May 5, 2007: Kenya Airways Boeing 737-800 plunges into swamp shortly after taking off from Douala, Cameroon, killing all 114 people aboard.

Oct. 29, 2006: Kenya Airways Boeing 737-800 plunges into swamp shortly after taking off from Douala, Cameroon, killing all 114 people aboard.

Sept. 29, 2006: Gol Airlines flight crashes in Brazilian jungle after clipping private jet, killing all 154 people aboard. Smaller jet lands safely.

Aug. 22, 2006: Russian Pulkovo Airlines jetliner returning from Black Sea resort of Anapa crashes in Ukraine during thunderstorm, killing all 170 people on board.

July 9, 2006: Russian S7 airliner crashes while landing on wet runway in Siberian city of Irkutsk and bursts into flames, killing 124 people.

May 3, 2006: Armenian Armavia airliner plunges into Black Sea while trying to land at Russian resort city of Sochi in rough weather, killing all 113 people aboard.

Dec. 6, 2005: Iranian C-130 military transport carrying journalists smashes into building in Tehran suburb as pilot tries emergency landing, killing 94 people in plane and 21 on ground.

Dec. 10, 2005: Nigerian Sosoliso Airlines jet goes down in Port Harcourt, killing 107 people, most of them schoolchildren.

Oct. 22, 2005: Nigerian Bellview Airlines jetliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Lagos, killing all 117 people aboard.

Sept. 5, 2005: Indonesian Mandala Airlines jetliner slams into crowded neighborhood moments after takeoff, killing 99 people in plane and 44 on ground.

Aug. 16, 2005: West Caribbean Airways charter jet crashes in Venezuela, killing 160 people, most of them tourists from Martinique.

Aug. 14, 2005: Helios Airways flight from Larnaca, Cyprus, to Athens crashes into hillside outside Athens, killing 121 people.

Feb. 3, 2005: Afghan Kam Air plane goes down in mountains during bad weather, killing 104 people.

Source: The Associated Press

June 10, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.75.255.201 (talk) 05:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

In the aftermath of the attack in India show the need for emergency response considering the incident and terrorists resolution to use anything to harm at their reach the following presents a great need for Hotel and security to have HAZWOPER training. In addition the FBI has a special unit for dealing with chemical harm crimes thus rushing in the new era for HAZWOPER Ops Plus WMD Weapons of Mass Destruction. The great late John Eversol who was the Chief of the Chicago Fire Department was instrumental in building this type of program until the day he died around June 2007. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.4.24 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Private sector HAZWOPER training role in WMD vs. federal NIMMS mandated training
National Incident Management System madates training cources sources are available at the FEMA or Fire Academy websites for anyone recieving federal funds to have to take online or for free 100 to 800 some may require a state sponsorship from an fire or law enforcement, now that is being further and further devided to your schools, to certain industries or areas. The Department of Homeland Security has created a qugmyer of an ever increasing budget and now the government will seek out to take money from anyone in business to pay for it. Where does it stop and ultimately it becomes a cost issue for the taxpayer to burden. The reality is that the government can not hire everyone in a big emergency and the disaster site worker training programs essentially have not caught on and are not mandated in the USA.

In democracy the government depends on the people. The same decreasingly seems to be so for emergency response to the point that we consider hazmat alomost the same as a state of war and that evryone must be prepared for an attack even if anything involves hazardous materials. Therefore the aurgument is created more particularily who is going to pay the people and who is going to train them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.75.255.201 (talk) 17:05, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Citing sources
Certainly a worthy endeavor to be perfect and cite everything one has learned but a bookworm I shall never be only to be called that, I admit like Socrates I know nothing. However, to take the advice from long ago philosopher is appropriate Socrates: "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for." In fact to document such conversations is often difficult and is knowledge still not pasted by word of mouth, I say it is. Have you heard the quote I am therefore I am? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HAZWOPERINTERNATIONAL (talk • contribs) 20:38, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Please cite all source material in this article. Claims of who started the article are not grounds for exemption from citing material. An individual recollection of historical events is not sufficient while not properly cited. — 14:02, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Anyone who is still active on this page, I'm able to add any and all info possible as I have many resources available to me as a NYS HAZMAT Tech. My problem is I am not good with the formatting codes on here. If anyone is willing to help me on the formatting I'm more than willing to add the info as a tag team effort to fix this page up. Dominic Orlando 14:04, 29 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Domorlando1984 (talk • contribs)

Expert cleanup
At 17:10, 3 October 2013 (UTC), edited HAZWOPER to start with “This page needs to be read and modified by an editor who understands the processes, procedures and acronyms involved. As it stands, this entry reads like a bar conversation.” I’ve replaced 98.236.138.186’s assessment with the standardized expert subject and copyediting templates. —Benjamin Barenblat (talk) 20:48, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

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