Talk:HSC Lake Express

Lake Express problems
I reverted to the "In August 2006 several trips were cancelled because of waves and mechanical problems. An August 12, 2006 article in the Muskegon Chronicle reported that the vessel was only running on three of its four engines and halted all trips for passenger comfort due to wave conditions. All ferry service was halt to fix mechanical issues on August 15 through August 18." text and added a source to back it up. The fact that the Journal Sentinel made a big deal about this page does not mean that the text is not notable. --Nick Catalano contrib talk 15:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

While the above information may be news, it is not appropriate content for a fact-based eycyclopedia article. It smacks of negativity. No such comparable information was provided for the rival S.S. Badger. -- Sue Martens, journalism instructor, Grand Valley State University.


 * I don't see why the mention of a distressed boater was removed. There seems to be a concern for parity with the article of a competing ferry. Regarding this ferry's relaibility record, if it's notable enough for the local papers to mention then it's worth mentioning here too. Similar info, if applicable, should be in thae article for the competing ferry. -Will Beback 05:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The fact that the ferry was shut down for three days and reported in a newspaper does not make it factual for an informative encyclopedia. A reliability record belongs is a promotional brochure. Similarly, you don't see the number of airplane crashes for a particular airline in an encyclopedia article on air travel. -- Sue Martens

Media spotlight
Just a note: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article about coverage of the ferry on this page --Nick Catalano contrib talk 17:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This article hit the Associated Press and just made it to the front page of Slashdot as well.  Sulfur 18:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep it semi'd for 3-4 days or so. --Woohookitty(meow) 02:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 15:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's on The Inquirer, also. --Karafias 02:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The Inquirer is generally considered a "supermarket tabloid," not a legitimate news publication. -- Sue Martens

Notability
A rescue and temporary service halt barely register a blip on the notability scale. If a significant amount of people were injured or killed, it would hold up to notability standards. &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 18:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. The rescue is a big deal and should be noted.  In fact I feel that some more should be written to include the fact that the ferry has been involved in several other rescue efforts.  It speaks to the value the ferry provides the public at large. TheRanger 18:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If that part is going to be re-added, then it should be mentioned as one particular rescue in a series of other rescues; the one individual event in itself isn't notable. I still feel that a service interruption doesn't count, though; this ferry is doesn't exactly function as a major arterial for commuters. &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 18:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Lake Express
I have been cancelled on 50% of my reservations with the Lake Express. That's not much of busniess model. My questions is "how are they still in business"?

How many trips did you book? Two?


 * This topic is not relavent to this article Ajmccauley 15:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Below legal accommodation for persons with disabilities
I have traveled the Lake Express ferry 3 times. The 4 th will be tomorrow. If you bring your car, you will be put in a priority waiting area in order to board the ferry. You will likely be parked near the elevator which is a plus for those with problems walking far. However, the seating for persons with disabilities is almost nom- existent. There are three seats with no tables and enough room for me with a leg brace that keeps one leg straight, to sit. However, these seats are marked for those who are "accompanying a wheelchair". No clue what that means: wheelchair user or wheelchair pusher? I am neither. I cannot squeeze into the rest of the seats because one must be able to bend both legs inorder to do so. So, three seats of dubious purpose that are accessible.. Last trip I found a kid and baggage in those seats. I had to ask a passenger to remove the baggage so I could sit. No crew help at all. I called today to make sure that they really are accessible. No luck there. I'm supposed to find a crew member if the seats are being used. I am considering a formal complaint to the US Department of Justice since this is not accommodation according to current federal law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.95.182 (talk) 15:09, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Map?
A map showing the ship's ports would be useful. Kdammers (talk) 07:28, 1 December 2012 (UTC)