Talk:Haarlem

Haorlem, Sri Lanka
I am a Tamil from Tamil-Eelam (presently Northern and Eastern parts of Sri Lanka). Wonder how I am connected to Haarlem? I am, in a sense. I come from a village that was once called "Haorlem". My home town is 'Nainativu', a tiny island, in the Jaffna District of Northern Sri Lanka. The Dutch captured our Kingdom of Jaffna in 1658 A.D. from the Portuguese who had earlier defeated the Tamil King Sangili Raja in 1619 and taken our kingdom. It is recorded that the Dutch were more peaceful than the Portuguese in their dealings with the local people. They however re-named many towns and gave Dutch names for them. My home town of Nainativu was re-named Haorlem by the Dutch at that time. There were other towns which were given Dutch names such as Delft, Middleberg, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Hammenheil, Kayts, Point Pedro and so on. After the Dutch left in 1796 A.D., most towns went back to their previous Tamil names. Haorlem became Nainativu again. However, a few towns retain their Dutch names (such as Delft, Kayts, Point Pedro, Hammenheil, etc.) until now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.21.26 (talk) 12:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Medieval References
It is very unlikely that Haarlem was already mentioned in the 8th century since there is virtually no material from the Netherlands from that period. I changed it to 10th century, when Haarlem was mentioned in the so-called Cartularium Radbodi (a list of properties of the Bishop of Utrecht, http://www.keesn.nl/sources/en3_utr_intro.htm). The sentence quoted ("ene viertal boerdereien zeijden ene beecke") looks way to modern to be 8th century or even 10th century Dutch (compare to Hebban olla vogala from the 12th century(!) (and the other Old Dutch sentences quoted in that article). If it is an orginial quote it is at best Middle Dutch and thus later than 1200 AD. With Google I could not find any original source for this quote (all pages seem to derive from this wikipedia page).

Garrelt Mellema — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.61.188.208 (talk) 16:29, 7 January 2007‎ (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing to this fact.
 * Indeed, this quote is not from the 8th century, and the original editor called it Middle Dutch (see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haarlem&diff=23459715&oldid=22621827).
 * The expression zeijden looks a bit strange. If this is cognate to Dutch zij(de), English side, German Seite etc. it should be side- or sijde- in Middle Dutch, with i or ij, not with eij. In modern Standard Dutch ij and ei sound the same, but not in Middle Dutch. The same applies to boerdereien. I guess that this quote has errors, is a fake, or it is modern Dutch in archaic spelling.
 * I tried to cut this quote out of the surrounding text. --MaEr 18:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * as a dutch speaker i can say that your thinking is wrong. zeijden is from "zeiden" what means said. in a phrase like "they said"(ze zeiden) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aspergie (talk • contribs) 17:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * As another Dutch speaker, the way I interpret the sentence is not "zeijden" as in "said", but rather "alongside".
 * I added the Citation needed template to the claim of the mentioning in the 10th century, since there is still no reference whatsoever (or it must be from one of the books in the bibliography, in which case I'd like someone to confirm that please). &#160; thayts &#160;t&#160;  15:29, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Harlem, New York
Harlem, according to its article, is named for Haarlem. Is this information worth mentioning in the Haarlem article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.236.61 (talk) 12:42, 1 February 2007‎ (UTC)

History of Haarlem
Good work on the history section in this article! I think even a separate article History of Haarlem is appropriate here, with a summary in this article. – Ilse@ 15:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Does Haarlem mean help info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.179.185.164 (talk) 19:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

changes to page to "Harlem"
This page has been changed to include all the data from the "Harlem" page and when I reverted it I got some warning from a "cluebot" I reported the warning to the bot and got no "thank you" or "we're looking it into" but instead got a message saying the bot was right and I was wrong. Well, I reverted the bad Cluebot edit and hopefully this time I don't get warned/banned as this is NOT a page about the New York City neighborhood "Harlem"... it's a page about "Haarlem" .. a city in the Netherlands. Someone vandalized the page and I got warned for reverting it. Lovely. Congested (talk) 05:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. You are right. By the way Cluebot is an robot - there is no reasoning with it. --maclean 05:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Main image
The current main image of the article, HaarlemSpaarne1.jpg, doesn't do the city justice. Shall we replace this with Windmill De Adriaan or De Grote Markt (currently the last image)? I'm hesitant to change this image since I added some of the other images four years ago. Guus (talk) 02:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Timeline of Haarlem
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 15:28, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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