Talk:Hairstyle

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I think this article seriously needs a discussion on the influence of famous people on hairstyles: Jennifer Aniston and Dido Armstrong, for example. violet/riga 22:26, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Both Bob Marley and The Beatles are mentioned in the corresponding articles (Dreadlocks and Beatle_haircut). I don't believe I can see what contributions Jennifer Aniston and Dido might have made that are known to me. But then again I only got here by clicking on Random article -- GSchjetne 01:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Underwhelming article
I think this article should be centered on the historical worldwide social and cultural perceptions and attitudes associated with hairstyles, and not just "such and such hairstyle was fashionable for women in the United States on the 60's". A more global view would be very nice. It would also be nice if it talked about hairstyles of the ancient world. It is also very centered on women hairstyles (which, being fair, are usually the most diverse). Sadly, I'm no expert in the subject so I can't really contribute. Oantonio (talk) 14:42, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think there should even be an article on this. Just leaving a simple definition would be better than this mess. More specific topics with enough content should have their own pages. 75.157.92.226 (talk) 00:07, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with Oantonio (talk). This article, and even more the introduction of it, is totally eurocentric, is almost offensive to talk about a minority like a worlds view on a topic.--Lsanczyk (talk) 19:52, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

More on the above:

This article talks primarily about European and American hair styling. It should be either titled to reflect this, or should be drastically edited to reflect the global population. Especially in the History section. It's a huge oversight. There are some regions where the history of hairstyling may be less well known, but others where there is a lot more information available. For example: When it talks about early human civilization, where's Egypt? What about the Incan civilization? (There are even well-known Incan mummies with styled hair, this is information we are not lacking) What about the long histories of fashion that are known for China, Japan and India? There are also so many times in the article where "throughout history" or some other sweeping statement, is made, and then the Roman empire is immediately referred to. Rome is a part of European history, and does not reflect anything globally.

The history section goes through sections of history that are very regional (such as the bronze age - which is specific to parts of Africa and Eurasia but is not global), and refers to regional styles without naming the region. For example, in the inter-war and post-war eras (again, regionally defined timelines without specifying the region) it makes claims like: "After the war, women started to wear their hair in softer, more natural styles. In the early 1950s women's hair was generally curled and worn in a variety of styles and lengths" - this was only true in some parts of the world. This may have been true of American or European women, but was it true in India? Was in true in Thailand? Was it true for all ethnic groups in America and Europe? This is the history of (predominantly white) European and American hairstyles, not of hairstyles in general.

I am not an expert in hair, and this article needs so many changes to accurately be called an article about hairstyling and its history, rather than an article about European hairstyling and its history. I wouldn't know where to begin to overhaul it, but I encourage anyone who does to get started! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.160.200 (talk) 15:20, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Couple of styles missing
No "Slickback" of all things? Come on. 70.69.60.36 (talk) 03:45, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

The picture for "French Braid" is actually of a dutch braid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.249.210.4 (talk) 23:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Cow lick, front flipped hair, mushroom cut... just to mention some that I noticed weren't there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.42.152 (talk) 22:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

There is no mention of the Hair styles of a Manchu Noble Women. Obsessions28 (talk) 13:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC) you are also missing the v hair style witch is a v witch starts from a mini raty and gos all the way up the sides witch are shorter then the top and gel the sides up and top scruff like and the back spikie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.117.104 (talk) 00:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

also the coral curl cliffter, the bashful afro and the flickstar dove tail is missing. Thse are all pretty well known styles that i would like to see included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.80.142 (talk) 17:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Question-
When you put a ponytail on top of your head, what's it called?

DarkestMoonlight (talk) 19:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I remember it being called a "fountain". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.200.7.128 (talk) 18:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

That YouTube video needs to be replaced
Why the **** does that link (http://www.weeklydig.com/style/articles/le_gala_hair_group) redirect to some stupid YouTube video? I'm erasing the link.

DarkestMoonlight (talk) 19:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

maybe its because you added that link! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.80.142 (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I entirely agree. That video is completely inappropriate for the stylistic standards (no pun intended) of Wikipedia. One can assume that anything with "hairstyles by ____" is not exactly going to be an unbiased source, not to mention the influence of original research :)

"""SHAGGY"" HAIR CUT
http://hariscruff78.tripod.com/id12.html

*LIKE A THE BEATLES,OASIS,THE HIVES... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertrocker (talk • contribs) 22:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

French Braid
Next to where it says French braid, the picture actually looks more like a Dutch braid to me - underhanded rather than over handed? Ramenking (talk) 13:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

id say a polish braid my self it looks asthough it been double crossed under handed.

The name of this hairstyle
The hairstyle that the character Raziel from Soul Reaver has, does anyone know the name of it? Is it listed here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.23.15.242 (talk) 21:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Scene hair?
Scene-hairstyles has recently become quite popular among some people - Maybe add a part of this into article? Zevvi (talk) 23:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Spanish style?
That reminds me of cornrows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BennyReyesReturned (talk • contribs) 01:15, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

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History of Hairstyle
I came to this article looking for a history of hair-cutting and hairstyles, which Wikipedia seem to usually have, but there is not one for hair-cutting and hairstyles correct? --Matthew Bauer (talk) 03:30, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I originally came to this article for the same thing. I've not found any pages recounting the history of hair-cutting, and I believe this would be the appropriate article to contain such information.  If anyone knows of decent sources on this topic, I'll gladly incorporate the information into the article. -Verdatum (talk) 18:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Donut style
There may be another word for it, but it's a style worn by girls and Sikh boys. It's basically pigtails twisted up above the ears or at the back of the head. (See here thumb and here 71.236.26.74 (talk) 17:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Styles with no picture/explanation
In the Notable Hairstyles section, What is the purpose of listing the style "part" with no corresponding article, description or picture. Also should the cuts which only have links have at least a brief description in the table? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.186.198 (talk) 23:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * In cleaning up, I left in "part" because I figured it would be possible to write and article (or at least a section) on the concept, and while it may not be a hairstyle in the strictest sense, it is an important aspect of hairstyling. If anyone feels it doesn't belong, and removes it, I certainly won't cry.  While I don't know if a table of hairstyles is the best thing for this article, so long as the table is here, yes, entries in the table should ideally be filled in as completely as possible.  Inlined references to Reliable Sources would be extra nice. -Verdatum (talk) 15:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

hairstyle terminology and NPOV
The terminology of the selected haircuts feels really shaky to me. Some terms, like 'ringlets' and 'ponytail' are obviously really established, but 'Dido flip' and 'fauxhawk' - well, maybe I'm out of touch, but I've never heard of these styles outside of the pages of last week's Heat magazine and some of them sound a little more like insider trends than established terminology.

I'm all for the inclusion of these for the fullest possible cataloguing of hairstyles, but there should be common standards to acknowledge what is very new and based around trends, and what is very established. Would it be worth mentioning in what period and what cultures each of the hairstyle names/types have been in use? Eg ringlets being in common use between the late 18th Century-late 19th Century in Western cultures, Dido flip being in use since the late 1990s-present in Western cultures, etc etc (I'm guessing here). Otherwise the whole article seems to make no difference between historical styles, long term trends, cutting-edge developments - and things that were just a flash in the pan.

I'd also recommend acknowledging just once some of the UK English equivalents to these uniformly US centric terms, eg 'braids' are 'plaits' in UK English.

Finally, there are a load of assertions that are not NPOV, such as the 'halfdo' being 'considered sexy'.PerditaFall (talk) 22:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The way I see it, the list is largely a compilation of any Wikipedia article discussing a particular hairstyle. So if there's an article on it, then it can go in the list.  Personally, I'm alright with this.  On the other hand, some of these hairstyles may have questionable Notability, as per WP:Notability.  In those cases, the appropriateness of the existence of articles for those individual hairstyles should be discussed on their respective article talkpages, and possibly be tagged for WP:Proposed Deletion or discussed at WP:Articles for Deletion.
 * I think ideally, any hairstyle that doesn't yet have it's own article should only be included in the list if its description (and possibly significance) can be backed up by references to Reliable Sources. When I cleaned up the list, I left in a couple entries (e.g. "Short back and sides", "part") because even though I was too lazy to track down such references, I had little doubt that such sources could be found without too much trouble.
 * You make an excellent point about region specific names for hairstyles.
 * I removed the "considered sexy" line you mentioned. Anything even close to that silly can be fixed/removed. -Verdatum (talk) 14:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

pointless links
some of the links under the "Selected hairstyles" section of the article, leads striaght to the same article your already looking at, these are pointless and should be removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.1.127.95 (talk) 22:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

someone is deleting content from this page
I added to the list of hairstyles a section about a "virtual hairstyle", it was deleted with no explanation and it is totally a relevant thing to put here, if speaking about hairstyle, a virtual hairstyle is something that may be new, but is certainly here to stay and so why should wikipedia not give an explanation of what it is on its page about hairstyle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.178.164 (talk) 11:04, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Response I agree that virtual hairstyles should form a part of the wiki. Main stream sites mostly have a section on virtual hairstyles. For example http://newhairstyleswomen.com and the hairstyler.com (the main virtual online hair site) discuss virtual hairstyles. It is obvious a subject that receives many searches and the section on it would complete or add to the wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psychic1 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Neat video
Stop motion video documenting women's hairstyles through the ages: Stop Mother Short of the Day. SarahStierch (talk) 19:15, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea this video is interesting and gives a general overview, but the problem is, as with the rest of the article, that this is only representative of the history of "Western" styles. Though, we could use this to find the sources and styles back then. We still need documentation on the styles of different ethnic groups/peoples all over the world (which means that when we have enough info, this article will probably have to be split into different pages since this is a very wide/general topic). - M0rphzone (talk) 08:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Earliest history?
I'd love to see mention of when/why/what/how the haircutting began in early man. I know primates groom one another, but at what point did men and women start cutting hair? Wearing hair up and out of the way? Does hair in the wild fall out at a shorter length? Does long hair interfere with hunting (and fleeing)?

And not necessarily germane to this article, I have the same sort of questions about face-shaving. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.21.251 (talk) 02:56, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Part
We had this. It now redirects to List of hairstyles per Articles for deletion/Part (haircut). Some of that content and the gender left/right/middle thing and could reasonably be in this article. I will leave it to others to decide.


 * External link (but lousy ref): http://www.hairfinder.com/hair4/comb-hair.htm

Now, I must part. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:39, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 16:59, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Parting
Part (haircut) redirects to List of hairstyles where you have to do a search to find the entry.

A part is often a big part of a hairstyle, right? Right side for women? Left side for men? Using parts in Afroheritage people to make interesting styles.

I think we need a small section in this article, the redirect to come to that section here, fix the entry at dab page Part, and add an entry to dab page Parting.

I just cannot find good sources because I do not have access to Google books.

I'll try to get some help at IRC to support some content, but if you don't see anything soon, maybe somebody could consider making the section. Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:01, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Hist401
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Social Implications
This article could use a lot of structural changes. For instance, brief mentions of social and cultural implications are scattered throughout the article when there is a whole section on it. The beginning mention of religious head coverings could be briefly mentioned but the detailing feels more at home under the social/cultural implications section. The section could use an overall update as well, with more information and some edits to the transitional sentences. Shriveled Branch (talk) 22:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I added a bit more to social/cultural implications about gender expressions and shaving hair in religion. I hope it doesn't seem to be too redundant to mention hair as a "sex symbol". Especially since the section Health and Hair briefly mentions the "sexual" (and I believe also the emotional) appeal of hair. There seems to be some overlap in what is healthy and beautiful alongside what we perceive as appealing and appropriate in society. Hopefully I could continue to make both sections distinct from each other.Shriveled Branch (talk) 06:32, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Inter and Post War years and contemporary
I added a bit more of the social implications of various hair cuts and styles, eg women's liberation and the bob, Black is Beautiful and the Afro. I also added information regarding issues of hair discrimination in the US against Black hairstyles. However this page could use a thorough cleaning or re-organization.

The organization of time and themes jumbles everything. However I am not comfortable reorganizing the whole article based on my whim.

Additionally, I would delete sections that have no sources or seem to not add to the conversation eg hair washing. Again, I however am not comfortable making these changes at my level. I agree with the previous note about how the section about the Dido flip also seems somewhat irrelevant. The.past.and.the.curious (talk) 07:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Composition and Culture
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Typo
The first paragraph in "inter-war years" has a typo. "After WWI women started for to … " should be "After WWI women started to …". Cdellert (talk) 19:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)