Talk:Hajime no Ippo/Archive 1

Excessive detail
The detail that this article describes pushes it to the 57th volume; Yagi's fishing expertise, Takamura's fight with Eagle but not the results, etc.

I'd say cut it back to a basic synopsis of the characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.147.35 (talk) 09:15, January 4, 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello. Given the fact that this article has reached 40kb and has become rather long, I was thinking of creating some character pages for some of the main/favorite characters. I'm no Wikipedia expert, but I belive that Wikipedia discourages the cutting and pasting of other's content into new pages. I am planning on creating some of the pages and added some basic info, and I hope that those that have contributed to this page will begin to move over some of the content that they have added to the new character pages. Please respond with your thoughts, thank you. Guyinblack25 15:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well one piece of advice I can give you is if you is that it would be more noteable for a new character page is if it has multiple paragraphs such as two or three or more paragraphs and if there is no character article on this page that has a large description then I would expend that characters article for that page to make it more notable. -Adv193 15:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I added a Ryo Mashiba page because his character description looked to be one of the longest. It has very basic information, so I would encourage others to remove whatever information about Mashiba that is nonessential to the Fighting spirit page and add it to the new page. I'm thinking about adding a Vorg page because he also has a long description. Any thoughts, please respond. Guyinblack25 15:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * From the looks of it the best kind of advice I can offer is to shorten the Ryo Mashiba description to a short summary on the main page and move the more elaborate details to the new character page and also if there is any kind of useful info that is not on the summary yet then it would be a good idea to help add that info. -Adv193 15:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I changed the Vorg redirect page to a character page, so to those editors that have added information to both Mashiba and Vorg, please review the information on the Hajime no Ippo page and begin moving over the information you added to the new character pages. More character pages may show up as appear to be needed. Guyinblack25 23:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I added a Sendo page since his character section has gotten longer now. To all editors, please review any content that you may have added to the Ryo Mashiba, Vorg Zangief, and/or Takeshi Sendo sections and move any unnecessary information from the Fighting Spirit article to the appropriate character pages. Guyinblack25 19:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I added an Ippo page 1) because he's the main character, and 2) as a premptive attempt to help keep the Fighting Spirit article short. Ippo's section on here isn't too long, but now if other editors would like to add more info, there is a page to do so. Guyinblack25 21:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, or at least a spoiler tag should be added to the character section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.173.141.75 (talk) 06:12, January 30, 2007 (UTC)

Images
'''--ARRRRGHHH!!! HELP!! SOMEONE DELETE THIS!!!'''

SORRY, I TRIED TO PUT A PICTURE OF AN HAJIME NO IPPOS COVER , BUT MY INEXPERIENCE MADE ME RUIN THE WHOLE THING! I DONT KNOW HOW TO DELETE THE PICTURES! SOMEONE PLEASE FIX THIS, OR TELL ME HOW TO DO IT!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lopetego (talk • contribs) 12:37, May 29, 2006 (UTC)


 * To delete an image look at Images and Media for Deletion. I don't know what you broke... but if you need anything else, let me know. --Miss Ethereal 14:53, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

umm i wannna put pictures of every character alongside their descriptions,can anyone help me to do that? i don`t know how.... --Gexecuter 17:32, June 27, 2006 (UTC)
 * Upload the image (using Upload file on the toolbox on the left) and then insert it using WP:Images. If you need something more specific, just ask.  --Miss Ethereal 17:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

i need help with the copyright status of the pictures i have uploaded,otherwise the pictures will be deleted ,can you please help me miss? Gexecuter 17:37, June 29, 2006 (UTC)
 * What exactly do you need help with? What category under fair use the images qualify for?  Look at WP:Fair use or you can tell me where you got the image from and I'll try and figure out what category it falls under.  Seems like you've already uploaded them... could you post some links to them? --Miss Ethereal 18:07, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

yeah,i need help of what category of fair use the images qualify,sorry about the confusion,i got all the images from here http://www.shonenmagazine.com/works/ippo/character/character.html is the website for the magazine where the manga is published.i hope that helps...... Gexecuter 20:02, June 30, 2006 (UTC)
 * Use this tag in the image description. —for artwork depicting a character from a comic book or video game and make sure to note the source (the web address where you loaded the image from).  --Miss Ethereal 16:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Character Lists
In an attempt to clean up the page some, I propose that the "Characters" list should be altered some. Mainly taking some of the Gyms with only one character out and moving those characters to the "Other gyms" section. Of those gyms with only one character, any character that only had one fight featured in the story, should be moved. The characters that come to mind are, Kenta Kobashi, Iwao Shimabukuro, & Keiichi Take. Any thoughts? Guyinblack25 03:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Split the article
Just had an idea that I thought I would throw out to anybody that actually reads the discussion page. What would everybody think about splitting the Fighting Spirit page into two separate pages. The second page would be a "List of characters from Fighting Spirit" and comprise mostly the character section on the current Fighting Spirit page. The character section would still remain on the main article, but in a much more condensed version and only include the main characters of the series, possibly some notable minor characters that are important to the plot.

Excessive character detail has been a slight problem in the past with this article and moving the characters to their own page would alleviate this. Along the individual character pages, this should allow users to add the details they feel are worth including.

So what are everyone's thoughts? And if you agree with the idea, which characters do you think should be kept in the main article? (Guyinblack25 21:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC))


 * If there are no objections, I'll split the character section of into it's own article. (Guyinblack25 18:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC))

Main Characters
Miyata's inclusion strikes me as odd, while he's significant to Ippo's story, he only shows up like once every 5 volumes or so these days. He hasn't really been a main character ever since the end of the Rookie King tournament, which was literally over a decade ago in real world time. I think he should be removed from 'Main Characters', and Takamura, Aoki, Kimura, and Itagaki should be put into 'Main Characters'. They're in almomst every chapter, and most of their fights get focus. They certainly qualify as Main Characters as far as I'm concerned. Kuwabaratheman 21:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Moving article
The article was recently moved to "Hajime no ippo". I have just reverted those edits and hoped that the topic could be discussed here. I personally don't think it needs to be moved, but am open to moving it if there is a reason to. Any thoughts? (Guyinblack25 19:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC))


 * I think it should be moved since its the original name--Greedisland14 02:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The WikiProject Anime and manga project's naming policy states "Use official English titles for article names, and place the transliteration of the Japanese on the first line of the article, unless the native form is more commonly recognized by readers than the English form". So the official name for this series in North America is Fighting Spirit. I guess the question here then would be whether or not the native form is more commonly used by English speakers. Another point is that Naming conventions (use English) states "If you are talking about a person, country, town, film, book, or video game, use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works." Personally, I've always and still do call this series Hajime no Ippo, but my interpretation of these polices tell me that we should go with Fighting Spirit. Also if you know of some others that would like to chime in on this, let them know about the discussion. (Guyinblack25 03:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC))

Splitting media information
After looking at the "Media information" in the "Sections" portion of the Anime and manga project, I thought I'd propose splitting most of the information in the "Media" section of the article into its own separate article, much like the List of Excel Saga media article. At the very least, I think the episodes should be split off into its own article. Any thoughts? (Guyinblack25 18:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC))

The current article lacks lots of info
After a long time without reading the hajime no ippo article, i discover that most of the info was deleted. Where are all the interesting synopsis about the non-main-character boxers? even really important characters like Eiji Date and Ricardo Martinez were left aside. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.166.54.146 (talk • contribs) 05:39, July 8, 2007
 * Did you check List of Fighting Spirit characters? This main article had basically turned into a very large character list. So that information was split into a separate article that is linked on this page. The reason it was split was because lists of information are generally discouraged on Wikipedia. I've also suggested that some of the media information be split off too. (see discussion below) The information this article is really missing is the production and reception of the manga and anime, but since most of that I'm sure is in Japanese, it may be a bit hard to get it. (Guyinblack25 15:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC))

Moving article (again)
I understand WP:MOS-AM asks for "official English titles for article names" and that the TV series has been released as Fighting Spirit... but as the Hajime no Ippo manga still hasn't been released in English speaking countries, shouldn't the article be named Hajime no Ippo? According to the manual of style, articles should be about the first format, not the most popular (nor the one released in the US).--Nohansen 16:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I see your point, that can make things a bit confusing. I believe because Wikipedia's naming conventions states to use English titles, that also effected the decision to use "Fighting Spirit". Though looking at it again it does seem a little weird that it is called "Fighting Spirit (manga)". If memory serves me correctly, the article was originally titled "Fighting Spirit", because that was the official English title, but was then later moved to "Fighting Spirit (manga)". Personally, I don't care one way or the other, but I'm not sure how Wikipedia's guidelines should apply to this now. I think that die-hard anime/manga fans will want "Hajime no Ippo" and some die-hard Wikipedia rule followers will want "Fighting Spirit". You may want to bring this up at the WikiProject Anime and manga's talk page to get some more opinions. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC))

Cancellation?
Can someone track down or find some informations why the series was cancelled or episodes were "postponed" ? I think thats pertinent to the article Sendo 09 (talk) 18:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Fighting Spirit(manga)???
The article is about the manga, so why is the page titled Fighting Spirit? To my understanding the manga has not been published in english under that title, only the anime has been. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.217.20.176 (talk) 19:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Obviously some people can't realise such simple things. This should have 2 articles, one called "Hajime no Ippo (manga)" and another called "Fighting Spirit (anime)". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.155.109.22 (talk) 16:00, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, technically it should be titled Hajime No Ippo, since both the anime and manga have the same title in Japan. Fighting Spirit should be noted as its English title in the introductory text.Guineveredawn (talk) 05:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

If it hasn't been released in English speaking countries then the manga is called Hajime No Ippo. This title exists no where and was made up by a vandal and somehow has stayed this way. I will move it in 3 days if nobody responds to this. Gune (talk) 07:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Remove spoilers or at least warn the reader of incoming spoilers
The article provides abundant information, which is good, but please remove some crucial spoilers such as the fight records of the characters, at least in this main page. I can understand if you leave the spoilers in the character specific page that follows:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fighting_Spirit_characters

All I wanted to do was to learn to which manga chapters the 76 episodes of season 1 and 2 movies correspond to, so I can gauge how long season 2 might possibly last as the anime derives its content from the manga.

But just by hitting page up/page down, I saw that Ippo's record was 22-1, so it's obvious that he will win ALL of his fights in season 2 and beyond. That's a huge spoiler that takes away from the pleasure of following one of the best anime ever made.

I don't see why you need to include his record in the main page in the first place. You could have just made a summary of each character's personalities, motivations and fighting style. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AngrySendoSupporter (talk • contribs) 06:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not spoiler free. If you get spoiled about something then it's your own damn fault for reading the articles. Gune (talk) 07:46, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Spoiler, In case you are wondering there is actually an article on spoilers and as it reads "However, since it is generally expected that the subjects of our articles will be covered in detail, such warnings are considered unnecessary". Afkatk - The Mind Reader (talk) 05:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Similarity to Mike Tyson's Punch Out
I've never really stumbled upon any notes regarding this, but the main character in Mike Tyson's punch out is named Mac and strikingly similar. Is the character of Ippo meant to model this character? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.244.227.194 (talk) 22:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

List of real life boxers mentioned in the anime
In the anime, they sometimes mention real life boxers like Thomas Hearns or Mike Tyson along with a animated still of that boxer. I was wondering if anyone had a list of the real life boxers they mention in the anime and a list of each of those boxers who had animated stills. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.4.213 (talk) 04:34, August 22, 2006 (UTC)

more info on Volg Zangief
I've been trying to find additional info on Volg Zangief on his stay in America but the manga is just too long and it really doesn't tell you where to get such info. He's one of my fave characters in the manga & i just wanna learn more about his endeavours/fights. Can someone pls help me? I'd really appreciate it! And I'm really sorry if i didn't post this question right... Storm7 (talk) 08:41, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Why were the small images of characters was removed?
Is there a reason you can't have a picture of each main character next to their image? If a character has their own page, they have a picture of themselves, so why isn't a list of characters allowed to have a small picture of each character next to their name? I thought it really added to the article.  D r e a m Focus  17:03, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Because all the images were non-free and failed WP:NFCC, notably WP:NFCC. If the characters are notable enough to have their own articles, then a non-free image in that article isn't a problem.  However, we don't use multiple non-free images in "List Of..." articles due to NFCC and this has been community consensus for a long time. Black Kite 17:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Separate Anime episode article
I noticed that this was previously mentioned, but there was no discussion or separate article created. After looking at the Naruto Wikipedia article, it would also make sense to move the anime episode lists into its own separate article. Any comments or thoughts on this? If none, I am going to be working on creating that separate article then.TanvirAlam2 (talk) 19:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Do it if you want to. Just don't make separate entries for Hajime no Ippo and New Challenger. I think we need to do something about the article name though. Gune (talk) 10:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)