Talk:Hanasaku Iroha

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--KrebMarkt (talk) 19:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Mania.com streaming: Ep 01 Ep 02 Ep 03 Ep 04
 * ANN: Eps 1-7, Spring previews

Kissuisō
I noticed on a chapter summary "Kissuisō inn", which called my attention since sō is a suffix for the inn. I understand that the name of the inn is just "Kissui", and that calling it "Kissui inn" or "Kissui-sō" would be more appropriate.  pmt7ar (talk) 22:01, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

As there are no comments on this issue, I'll proceed to edit it. I'll change all references to "Kissui Inn", since 荘 is a suffix and not part of the name. I'm using the same criteria as we don't translate suffixes like 村田氏 as "Murata-shi" or 福岡市 as "Fukuoka-shi".  pmt7ar (talk) 03:09, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Some place names typically keep their suffixes in English... Take a look at the articles for Tōdai-ji, Kinkaku-ji (Rokuon-ji) and Kiyomizu-dera, for example. But Heian Jingū, Yasukuni Jinja, Ise Daijingū and other Shintō shrines appear to lose their suffixes. When are suffixes supposed to be kept? (212.247.11.156 (talk) 21:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC))
 * My only guess is its for traditional usage in romanization. Like when we still use Hepburn over the official ISO romanization. If that's the case as this is a work of fiction there is no attach to the "kissuisō" romanization that justify keeping the suffix. Also ep7 title uses Kissui without suffix.  pmt7ar (talk) 00:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * What does the English subtitles use? If it uses "Kissuiso" for the name of the inn, then that should be the name used throughout the article. But I don't ever recall "Kissui Inn" being used in an episode, so that name is not correct. —Farix (t &#124; c) 04:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * What subtitles are you referring to? Are there official english subtitles released? If its by fansubs they're not reliable (afaik U-C uses "kissui inn").  pmt7ar (talk) 05:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * There series is streamed by Crunchyroll. So those would be official translations. Playing the first three minutes of episode 8 shows that they are using "Kissuiso" instead of "Kissui". —Farix (t &#124; c) 11:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Is that a reliable source? So now not even Kissuisō but Kissuiso?  pmt7ar (talk) 12:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is a reliable source because Crunchyroll licenses anime series to simulcast to audiences outside of Japan (typically North America), and their translations must be approved by the production studio. —Farix (t &#124; c) 13:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll add the macron. Crunchyroll is inconsistent on it, the summary says Kissuisō, but the episodes' say Kissuiso, and I don't know the subs since they aren't available for my IP. But also the summaries says Koichi and Tohru while in the article we use acrons as per MOS:JAPAN. pmt7ar (talk) 14:38, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Relating to the mention of the macron usage with the names Koichi and Tohru; this 'ō' is in place of 'ou' 【おう】. Which makes sense for Kōichi who's kanji are 孝一 【こう・いち】(Kouichi). However Tohru being written as Tōru is most likely incorrect, as it would suggest that Tohru's kanji > 徹 is read as Touru 【とうる】, which although that is a possibly nanori (name-reading) of this kanji > 徹 it is not the most common nanori reading (of those which sound like 'Tohru'). Tooru 【とおる】 is a more likely nanori reading for Tohru's kanji. Rikaichan and other Japanese dictionaries suggest so. I have also listened to Tohru's name being said in the anime and to me it sounds more like Tooru rather than Touru, although they are quite similar. Also I haven't found any websites relating to the anime that have that kanji written with furigana etc. So I am suggesting that 'Tohru' be written as Tooru instead of Tōru, as it is most likely correct that way. StrawberryThatch (talk) 02:52, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * In revised Hepburn romanization, which Wikipedia uses for Japanese text, both "ou" and "oo" are rendered as ō by default.--  十  八  03:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. What about in the 'Characters' section where there are the names in romaji after the kanji, for example: (宮岸 徹, Miyagishi Tōru) < is it right to use a macron for this translation, shouldn't this at least be written as Miyagishi Tooru? Also in this case: (次郎丸 太朗, Jirōmaru Tarō) as Jiroumaru Tarou. Well, it just seems a little weird to me, but if that's how it's done on Wikipedia then let me know and I'll stop writing about it. ^_^ StrawberryThatch (talk) 23:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's OK at it is. The japanese template usually duplicates the same words (but in different order), the bold only changes when there is a different common usage. Guidelines is at WP:MJ.  pmt7ar  (talk) 03:45, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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