Talk:Harriton High School

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Updates
Most Recent Update:
 * 'Added'
 * Information about the Science Olympiad Team
 * Coaches and Accomplishments


 * 'Changed'
 * Reformatted the page to make it easier to view


 * 'Needed'
 * Someone needs to add some information about the Tennis Team
 * Also someone needs to add info about the new high school that's going to be built

-Achates
 * 'Other Stuff'
 * Someone might want to describe the campus as it is now and maybe put up some pictures

Some Editing Help
This page still needs work, and I currently don't know what to add -Achates 13:26, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

--Added information about Ed McBirney -User:Harriton September 2007

School spying on students
IMHO this should be added somewhere in the main article: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html Reddit discussion here: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/b3it7/school_used_student_laptop_webcams_to_spy_on_them/ 89.164.106.18 (talk) 12:58, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

There's already a new article devoted to Blake J. Robbins v. Lower Merion School District. Starting today, there already have been hundreds of mention of this case and this incident on major news sites. Do other people agree that this incident should be mentioned in the Harriton High School article? Woken Wanderer (talk) 20:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

-I agree it should be in the main article, as it is right now. Carlinus (talk) 10:33, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

The Trivia Section
1. WP:TRIV

2. If the section is to be kept, many of the items need to be cited. Woken Wanderer (talk) 21:08, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Lake Harriton?
Interesting, but useless. Ifly6 (talk) 03:29, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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Latin Club/Certamen Section
The Latin Club/Certamen subsection under clubs should stay, as it is in line with the rest of the clubs. Similar to science olympiad it contains information about wins, with cited sources. Thus, it should stay. MageNicho (talk) 02:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the other content should also be removed per WP:OTHERCONTENT. Separate sub-sections for each high school club seems to becoming pretty close to WP:NOTEVERYTHING type of content, even if supported by "sources", unless the sources are secondary and independent (i.e. not something published by the school, the club, or organizing bodies of the competitions the clubs participated in.); moreover, mentioning individual's by name (looks like only first names as well) also seems like WP:Namechecking. Most high schools, at least those in the US and Canada, seem to have school papers, student councils, clubs, athletic teams, etc. so there's nothing wrong with mentioning such things; however, there's also no need to try and write mini-paragraphs split off into different subsections about them (Wikipedia's reader's don't need to know, for example, who the officers of the Latin Club are, what the different sections of the school's paper are, or see a table of the Science Olympiad finishes per year) when simple sentences (perhaps in a bullet list summarizing all of the same information works just as well. If you're aware of any secondary coverage the club (i.e. coverage other than the types of things I mentioned above), then that might perhaps strengthen the case for adding anything other than a simple sentence or two about the club.You seem to have first added the content here and then continued to try and re-add it after it was removed the first time here; it's OK to be WP:BOLD the first time, but, unless you're claiming that JfI's removal of the content is vandalism (just for reference, it almost certainly wouldn't be considered as such per WP:VANDNOT), you're going to be expected to follow WP:BRD and engage in discussion on this talk page after the first revert . It's "Bold, Revert, Discuss" (BRD), not "Bold, Revert, Revert, Discuss" (WP:BRRD) This is why when you tried to re-add the content again (this time without any edit summary), JfI asked you not to edit war in his second revert. FWIW, your first edit summary stated "Added a section on the illustrious Latin Club and Certamen" and I hope you can sort of understand why this might make some editors like JfI a little suspicious of your reasons for adding such content. (You're not, by the way connected to the school or the club, right?) Then, when you tried to re-add it without an explanation, things sort of went into a slight tail spin. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:46, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * @Marchjuly Okay, I understand, I made multiple mistakes. I think the information about the winning is relevant, similar to the Science Olympiad subsection but I'll shorten it so that specifics are omitted. I think it is relevant per the article you linked to. It states, "a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject." I would argue its success is relavent to an encyclopedic article, similar to science olympiad's placement. However, I realize that the specifics are unnecessary. Further, the "illustrious" was a very foolish move on my part, as I was being rather sarcastic since it is a school club. I shouldn't have joked, it was unprofessional and I'm deeply sorry for it. Further, the putting of officers was also unprofessional and rather dumb, I realize now how unnecessary and irrelevant it was now. I think the section should be added back in with shorter information explaining the club and its accomplishments in about 2 sentences. Do you agree? Thank you for working with me, as you can probably tell I'm a bit new at this. Have a good day. MageNicho (talk) 16:48, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Editors like, and  are more active in WP:WPSCHOOLS than I am so they may feel differently, but I personally don't there should be individual sub-sections for any of the clubs and activities. There should be one titled "Clubs and activities" with a general paragraph describing the overall situation at the school supported by sources, then there could be a general sentence (e.g. "The school supports the following clubs and activities.") followed by bullet list where there's perhaps a sentence about each club/activity which briefly mentions any awards, championships, or honors it might have received, once again supported by citations to reliable sources. For example, the entry for Science Olympiad might look as follows.
 * Science Olympiad: Competes in the Southeastern Region for Regionals and Pennsylvania for States. Placed among the top 10 at the Science Olympiad National Tournament for 21 consecutive years, winning three national championships and 16 consecutive state championships in that span.
 * That's about it. Anything about a club/activity which cannot be sourced should be removed, and if that means only mentioning a club by name, then so be it. Just so it doesn't seem as if I'm favoring athletics over clubs; I think the same should be done for the "Athletics" section too. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:57, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Most of these clubs and activities compete interscholastically and can be treated as the interscholastic sports teams are. A brief (and sourced, of course) mention of where they compete and their highest level of accomplishment (not every competition and result). Definitely no unsourced puffery such as "the longest winning streak out of any Pennsylvanian team, athletic or not", "has been highly successful", "has had successes at" or "consistently win more awards than any other school district". The whole section still needs trimming. Most (or maybe all) of the Student Council section should go, for example. Is there a North American high school that does not have a student council that organizes events and votes on things? The Future Business Leaders section is completely unsourced, and does not even make any firm claims of nay accomplishments. Sure, successful members at regionals are eligible to compete at the State level competitions... have any of them actually made it that far? Have any of them won? That's as useful as saying that a scientist could be nominated for a Nobel Prize if he makes a breakthrough. Meters (talk) 03:28, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Methinks we have another new editor with all the typical misconceptions. First, an encyclopedia article about a subject does not exist to tell the story of the subject. Instead, its purpose is to summarize what others have written about that subject in reliable secondary sources. Unfortunately, most of the facts about a secondary school remain unremarked upon by outside sources. That itself is a fair indication that content about those facts is not important enough to include. Every school has clubs. Most have a suite of clubs in common, some with national organizations. Things like the existence of groups such as honor society, student council, DECCA, French club, AV club, etc are commonplace and mention is not needed. Almost all communities have streetlights. With the notable exception of the first town that did (Wabash, Indiana), we do not mention that a community has streetlights. We don't need to. The only reason to discuss a particular extracurricular activity is if it actually does something that attacks the attention of the outside world. Priorities may be misplaced, but athletics get press. The model rocketry club, not so much.


 * We have a group of consensuses about general content in school articles here. Among them: we do not use titles (Mr, Mrs, Ms, Dr, Rev, etc) or postnominals (PhD, MD, LLD, SJ); we do not name students or staff (exception being the head of the school or principal, and any individuals whose fame is widespread enough to have a Wikipedia biography); we only discuss the school's highest achievements (in other words, if the chess club won a bonafide state championship in 1942, we will not be discussing the baseball team's runner up position in the state tournament in 2002, or any other school group's achievement of less than state championship); just as we do not name students or staff, we do not discuss their individual achievements either. There will be no mention of the state championship Bill V had in the 100 yard dash in 1963. The track team took the championship in 1963 too. That we can mention. All claims of achievement (or lack of same), all statistics and any thing that makes the school sound better require reliable independent secondary sources. Anything you add must be paraphrased from published reliable sources. Nothing you just know can be added. John from Idegon (talk) 06:31, 9 December 2019 (UTC)