Talk:Haruka Shimotsuki

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THANK YOU!!! I've been trying to get this article cleaned up, but my Internet went down for weeks, thanks for editing this article, and editing my article Kukui (band), I created the kukui (Band) article! Sir aaron sama girl 02:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No prob, I will be extending Shimotsuki Haruka's page as time passes, I might also add in a detailed career history for her in the future. Also, I am just wondering if its a good idea to put in covers for her other albums (doujin albums), cuz I got the scan myself. Depthcharge101 14:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not unless all tracks are listed and you can some how come up with the release date I say. Miyuki 18:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not a problem at all, cuz if I can scan it myself I would have a track list that I can confirmed myself. That's why I didn't just want to copy tracklist from the internet because I want to confirm it with the booklet myself before I put it to wikipedia. Depthcharge101 05:46, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok I've put up the 2 covers for Yuragu Sora and Maple Leaf Box.... although I think it needs a little fixing to make it neater... Depthcharge101 07:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I see no section In the article that says anything about the Relict game (Personal History/Career section dosen't count). You must have the whole track list of the game and the songs she's done, she composed every song on the image soundtrack. and please keep it there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir aaron sama girl (talk • contribs) 17:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes I do have the whole track list of the game ost. She didn't compose everything in the game, she composed and arranged it together with another composer. If you have paid enough attention you'd notice Shimotsuki doesn't do much arranging because she admitted she didn't have enough experience on the instruments and all. But what do you want me to keep? A full track list of the game soundtrack? I don't really see much point in doing so because she did it with a lot of help from another more experienced composer. --Depthcharge101 14:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

About the title 恋獄 (Rengoku)
I found some translation problems, the song 'Rengoku', but I fixed it. The title of the song is a pun on the word ‘rengoku’, which originally means ‘purgatory’. The first kanji, ‘ren’, is replaced with another kanji that means ‘love/romance’. Sir aaron sama girl 03:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We basically have two different groups going for two meanings right now. The first group goes on the idea that 恋獄 translates as "love prison", while the second group goes with the idea that it should be translated as "romance purgatory.


 * For the first group's defense, here are the goo dictionary EN->JP entries for 恋 and 獄.


 * For the second group's defense, goo dictionary entry for 煉獄, and that 恋 is a word-pun on 煉, since they both pronounces "ren".


 * I say we have a vote on this to decide which title we want to keep for wikipedia instead of fighting over it over and over again. It'll be nice if you leave a little comment stating why you choose that translation. Miyuki 06:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I vote for Love Prison, simply because it's a direct translation. Unless context can be given from within the actual game that supports the other translation, a direct translation is always less misleading. Miyuki 06:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I vote for Romance Purgatory, I just know that 'Rengoku' means Purgatory, but replace the'ren' kanji and you'll have Romance (ren) Purgatory (goku) Ren-Goku. And this should be completely accurate and I found a translation from the song, it was translated by a girl who majors in Japanese, see here. I know Rengoku means Purgatory, but the 'Goku' in 'Rengoku' means jail or prison, but the song has nothing to do with a Love Prison and I know my translation is correct. 'Romance Purgatory' 'Rengoku' Love Purgatory (not to be confused with Prison) Sir aaron sama girl 17:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Prison, in this case, may not mean the literal "prison", where you lock criminals up. It could just mean you're captured (and imprisoned) by love or something to that degree. Miyuki 23:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I vote for Love Purgatory, I think it sounds better, I like the 'Love Prison' (A Slave to passion), but, no. besides, you can call it Love Prison Purgatory. That sounds better, but you're debating on Love Purgatory/Love Prison but 'Rengoku' means Love Prison and Love Purgatory so you can call it Love Prison Purgatory since Rengoku means 2 things. but I still vote Love Purgatory, what does 'Purgatory' mean anyways? Or you could call it Love Hell 24.1.89.46 01:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Love Prison. Without 煉 the "purgatory" meaning is lost. An English review I found describes the game being about murder cases involving mutilated bodies that were eaten by the killer, and the player being "entangled in a serial killer case motivated (apparently) by a possessive love turning into insanity". As for the lyrics, it sounds to me like the singer is trapped in a box and suffering and rotting away because of love. I don't see anything about purging. I suppose "hell" could work if "prison" isn't suitable. I see a Kannazuki no Miko episode was translated that way (hell of love).--Raica 08:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess I definitely have some say for the meaning of it. First of, I've played Cartagra (Rengoku is the opening of the game), and the game is about a girl who went a little too far doing everything just for "love". There's some murder here and there but in the end it all spawned from her crazed love towards one guy. Anyway I hope anyone who voted here actually have a decent level of understanding in Japanese, instead of relying on dictionaries. As for me, I do think that the real meaning would be Love Prison. As mentioned, love prison has the meaning of the girl that has gotten so crazy into loving this guy, she's basically stucked with her emotions (thus love prison). Love Purgatory has no meaning in the game's context, cuz it has nothing to do with punishment or hell or anything, Rengoku might be a pun here, but I see it having a very strong meaning of "Love Prison" when I see it, and it also makes a lot of sense after I finished the game. Also, I wanted to mention, it might not be a good idea to translate the meaning of the song titles, simply because of issues like this. People that care enough to listen probably understand Japanese anyway, and people who listen to it casually probably don't bother about the actual meaning. Interpretations can be quite different sometimes, and would not be good if we give misleading information. --Depthcharge101 15:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Just want to mention I could explain the part about the lyrics of someone being trapped in a box and suffering and all, spoilers warning alert for Cartagra: basically there's a character buried half alive by the crazy girl, and that probably describes her emotion during that time. --Depthcharge101 15:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I must agree with Raica and Depthcharge101, Love Prison or Love Hell. So it is decided, Love Prison, but I think the songs may not need to be translated. I will clean up the article (but the Ashiato Rhythm section is fine). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir aaron sama girl (talk • contribs) 16:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Speaking of Cartagra, I think we should create an article on the game, I have a couple of images from the game. Sir aaron sama girl 00:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Feel free to start an article on the subject. Adding more information on wikipedia is always welcomed. Miyuki 09:11, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

About literal translation of the song titles
After seeing the partial literal translation of the song titles, I really think that it's not a very good idea. Partly because it's pretty messy as of now (since only some of them are translated), but also because I still think that song titles can be interpreted quite differently sometimes (since the names are quite often poetic/artistic and there's not much context). --Depthcharge101 15:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Different translators can translate titles differently, and when two translator doesn't agree, things can get messy like Rengoku. Keep the titles as kanji/romaji will save a lot of trouble. Miyuki 18:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm sorry to be picky but I am not too happy with some of the literal translation of the titles in Ashiato Rhythm as well. A few of them-
 * 白夜幻想譚- I'd interpret it as Tale of White Night Illusion myself.
 * ふたりの未来- Future of the two, why our future?
 * 希望の羽- Feathers of Hope (this is just ambiguous)
 * 空夢- Sky Dream, it's read sora, the empty meaning of 空 has different reading.
 * あしあとリズム- I'd translate it as Rhythm of foot trails.
 * So yea I really don't think we should do literal translation for Ashiato Rhythm as well --Depthcharge101 14:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Another Language
I know this isn't nessasary but I'm pretty sure Haruka Shimotsuki speaks another language besides Japanese. I saw a lyrics page at tieleaf.net and saw lyrics for a song she wrote (It is in annother language). I found it here. If anyone knows this language, can they post it on the arcticle? It should be noted that she speaks/sings in another language. Sir aaron sama girl 17:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Much like the hymnnos from Ar tonelico and the language used in Katakiri Rekka's Hareyaka Naru Sora no Yukue, those are the artists' self-made language and is not an official language. You can note it in the single(s)/album(s) the language is used in, but other than that, I don't see any need to do a specific noting. Miyuki 18:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * As said by Miyuki, those aren't real languages, they are just languages made up for the song. --Depthcharge101 13:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

That extra image for Tsukioi no Toshi
Do we really need that? Nothing was noted in that album's entry about what those are, and all it really does is just make the page even harder to read by piling more images in it. I hide the file under the comment tag currently, but if no one's really against it, I'll remove it all together. Miyuki 00:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't mind removing it. The pictures also look MUCH more organized now with 120px. Good work. --Depthcharge101 08:18, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I had the image there to describe the book + CD! I am not happy... Sir aaron sama girl 21:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's nothing personal. I didn't remove the picture because I'm against you or something. It's that the article would look much neater (and the spacing wouldn't be half as messed up) without it. Besides, I think that image isn't really a necessary on the article. (Again, nothing personal.) Miyuki 21:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know you're not against me, I just thought...It does look much neater without the image!

Sir aaron sama girl 22:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Question about the kanji 刻
I don't see this word too often myself, but I remembered there's an instance in the lyrics where it is pronounced toki. I thought it was just a special ocassion like it always does in song lyrics. But now it comes to another title 伝承『めぐる心・繋がる刻』. Initially I thought of making it toki, but then I checked the dictionary and it doesn't seem like it has the pronounciation toki for it. Of course, it could be yet another special ocassion but I couldn't find any information about it so I thought I'd play safe and make it koku, but it was later changed to toki. I am not trying to be picky or anything, but would really like to know if anyone has more to say about the word 刻. --Depthcharge101 11:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally transliterate lyrics, and to tell you the truth, just about every time I run into the word 刻 as a stand-alone, it's pronounced toki. (The word 刻 also have the meaning "time", which fits the title. Since toki also translates to time... We can probably just view this as a word pun in a way.) Miyuki 15:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable, my another friend also told me that everytime he bump into the word as a single non-compound word, it's pronounced toki, I guess we can make it toki. Although 刻 (koku) also has the meaning of time, although its time meaning is a little different from toki.--Depthcharge101 13:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Question: What's an ADV?
Yea I saw the news about a new ADV being developed for tieleaf, but what's an ADV? --Depthcharge101 12:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * An ADV is an Adventure Game. see this article - ADV Sir aaron sama girl 16:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Visual novels, if I'm not mistaken by Japan's meaning of an "ADV" game. Miyuki 04:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Ar Tonelico 2 CD
Does the songs on the CD consist of nothing but singing in the Hymnos language? and why is it so popular? Sir aaron sama girl 22:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It consists of Hymmnos and Japanese most of the time. I cannot tell you why the songs are popular, but I can probably tell you why the games are popular. Miyuki 02:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say the games are really popular. But it's kinda a game that you either like or dislike. Ar Tonelico songs are not really popular (at least I don't think so), but I personally like it a whole lot. The best thing is to have a go at it and see if you like it. -Depthcharge101 02:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course it's not as popular on the scale of like, say, Final Fantasy or Tales series, but it's well, I guess more "infamous", for their sex innuendo. You can't find any other game that's rated CERO B/ESRB T that got more innuendo than that, which attracts the ota-chan/pervs. (I played Ar tonelico, and yea, crap load of those.) Miyuki 19:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's more like those who are pervert just keep seeing nothing but pervertness out of it. I just find most innuendo funny and that's about it. Don't know why people just keep stressing about it and all. And no, the people who like the games do not like the game because of those silly stuff. It's more like people who DO NOT like the game dislike the innuendo and pay a lot of attention to it for some reason.--Depthcharge101 02:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

tieLeaf
Can I start an article on tieLeaf? I have enough images and information about it Sir aaron sama girl 19:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Feel free to start any article you want on wikipedia, as long as it meet the guidelines. Miyuki 00:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've created the article tieLeaf, but do you think you can add in more information? Sir aaron sama girl 04:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's probably not worth starting a page for tieLeaf, as it is pretty much just Shimotsuki Haruka anyway.... I don't know, there doesn't seem to be much to write for tieLeaf.--Depthcharge101 08:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Tindharia no Tane Drama CD
http://www.team-e.co.jp/tindharia_drama/index.html

I recently saw this and wondered whether Haruka Shimotsuki will be singing any new songs for this. However, my Japanese is very poor so could someone who understands Japanese check the website for me? LOKFanatic (talk) 16:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It says there will be a new song by Shimotsuki Haruka and Iwadare Noriyuki. --Raica (talk) 08:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Great news! LOKFanatic (talk) 12:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Where is the tracklist?
What happened to the albums' tracklist? I found it increasingly useful for reference, but now its gone! Why is that and what is the problem? I'm sure other people found it useful. It woul make the page look more proper instead of it being just another "list" of album titles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir aaron sama girl (talk • contribs) 09:50, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a convention on Wikipedia that track listings are not included in discography sections which lists the albums and singles released by an artist.--  十  八  09:50, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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