Talk:Haters Back Off

Cast section
Why do we need a table for the cast section? There is not enough cast members announced yet and we can simply put [Actor] as [Character], [Description]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.254.133 (talk) 16:44, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Overuse of quotation marks.
Why are they so many, many quotation marks in this article? They're are a ton in just the first 2 paragraphs. BeckiGreen (talk) 01:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Since we are quoting material directly from the sources, we need to use quotation marks to identify the direct quotes. Once we (and the critics) have seen the show, we may be able to describe the content more easily without directly quoting these sources. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:14, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

You don't get it. The quotation marks are used incorrectly. And this-"Since we are quoting material directly from the sources, we need to use quotation marks to identify the direct quotes. Once we (and the critics) have seen the show, we may be able to describe the content more easily without directly quoting these sources.", has nothing to do with using quotation marks incorrectly. Also, who is "we"? Fans of the show? This article is already overloaded with info that is in the Miranda Sings article. I'm going to work on trimming it down a bit. 76.123.200.158 (talk) 01:46, 15 October 2016 (UTC)


 * "We" refers to Wikipedia editors. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:31, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Not the first scripted series by a YouTube personality
I'm removing this sentence from the article:


 * The show is "the first scripted series created by a YouTube personality."[refs]

It's sourced, but it's still incorrect. E.g., Insecure was both produced and broadcast before "Haters", and its star and Co-Creator Issa Rae also got her break on YouTube. --Baumi (talk) 10:41, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, in 2012 there was Fred: The Show, which would also fit the definition of "scripted series created by a YouTube personality". --Baumi (talk) 12:56, 7 December 2016 (UTC)


 * OK, fair enough. Insecure was probably too new for some reviewers to pick up on. I added "one of".  But see the last paragraph here, where it argues that Insecure is not really a series based on a YouTube character, but an adaptation of an already beta-tested web series. And see here what The Guardian says about Fred.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * IMHO; "based on a YouTube character" is different from "created by a YouTube personality", though. The first concerns the characters and world of the show, while the second specifies the people responsible for the creation. If Netflix had asked Ballinger to produce something entirely unrelated to Miranda as a series, it would arguably still have been a scripted series created by a YouTube personality, however it would not have been based on her YouTube character. (The opposite, a Miranda series without Ballinger's involvement, is theoretically possible, but unlikely in practice for obvious reasons.) As for Fred: The Guardian article complains (rightfully so) about the quality of the Fred adaptations. That's beside the point, though. While I, personally, can't stand anything Fred Figglehorn for more than a few seconds, that doesn't change the fact that Lucas Cruikshank created a successful YouTube character and from that moved on to create several scripted films and a (short-lived) Nickelodeon TV series based on it, and he did all that a few years before either Insecure or Haters. Since, AFAIK, the original Fred videos were monologues, the format would also satisfy the criteria set up by the Variety article. BTW: I've edited the sentence slightly, does it seem okay to you now? --Baumi (talk) 11:04, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

The show debuted as the 2nd most popular digital original series in the US.
In the article it reads- The show debuted as the 2nd most popular digital original series in the US.[61] I went to the link, and that's for October 14-20, 2016. The way this is written - (The show debuted as the 2nd most popular digital original series in the US.) Makes it sound like Haters Back Off as the 2nd most popular digital series, of all time, which it's not. It was the 2nd most popular digital series from October 14-20, 2016. 2601:483:100:CB54:1016:7E69:AFB8:2075 (talk) 23:01, 12 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I disagree that it makes it sound like it was the 2nd most popular digital series of all time. The "debut" language is typical of the language we always use for new releases.  If I said that Beyonce's new album debuted as the No. 2 album, you would not think that meant "of all time". Nevertheless, I added the dates. -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:08, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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Timeline
Doesn't it make sense to add the storyline takes place from 2008-2009? That is when Miranda became a character, and the use of flip phones in the show shows that it is meant to be in that time period. - KevinBartholomew — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinBartholomew (talk • contribs) 00:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * This has been proven on today’s episode of the podcast RELAX! with Colleen Ballinger and Erik Stocklin. 2600:1700:DA60:E010:CC61:F9C7:AA78:DE33 (talk) 22:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)


 * if a news source, like say Entertainment Weekly, mentions this fact, then we would add it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)