Talk:Health care systems by country

Move to Health systems by country

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: move to Health systems by country. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 15:00, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Health care systems by country → Health systems by country –Relisted Alpha_Quadrant   (talk)  03:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC) I have recently suggested that the health care system article be moved to health system. Similarly, I would propose that this article be moved to Health systems by country, but it's probably best to wait for the discussion on the health care system move to be sorted.

If we do move this article, I would suggest we also clean up the inconsistency in the country-specific articles - some say 'health care in XX' while others say 'healthcare in XX' and others say 'health in XX' - given the context of most articles, I would propose that most be changed to say 'health system in XX' because most of the article are actually about the overall health system, and not just on the provision of care. Relisting. Jenks24 (talk) 13:54, 7 March 2012 (UTC) --Karl.brown (talk) 21:01, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. Should probably just wait to see what the outcome of the RM is at Talk:Health care system and then follow that decision. Jenks24 (talk) 13:54, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Make article titles consistent?
Hi, this is sort of an odd-ball page - it has short summaries of country health systems, which are of varying quality, and which sometimes are different than (or duplicative of) the actual information on the source page. In addition, sometimes the pages are called 'Health in X' or 'Health care in X' or 'Healthcare in X'.

So, I have a few suggestions and would like feedback from other editors:
 * 1) Based on the recent move to health system from 'health care system, and given that the majority (43 countries vs. 22 countries) use the heading 'Health in X', should we consider moving all of the 'healthcare in X' articles to 'health in X' articles? Many of the articles, even if called 'healthcare', look at the broader trends of health in the country.
 * 2) Secondly, should we use transcludes to selectively pull in the top paragraph of each article on 'health in X' - this way, the responsibility of keeping this list up to date will lie with those who create the 'health in X' article, and this article will remain as just a series of transcludes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karl.brown (talk • contribs) 15:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think that the first is necessary (and it would be up to each article's editors), and I think that the second is not such a good idea, since what makes a good first paragraph is probably too short and contains different information than what we want here. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have any other suggestions on how to make sure these stay in synch with the main article? the problem is, there is a big risk of the sections getting out of synch, if editors fix one they may not know to come update the summary here.--Karl.brown (talk) 18:47, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Access problem
The use of ===Level 3=== headings throughout violates WP:ACCESS. The best solution might be to subdivide the list by continent, with (for example) ===China=== and ===Japan=== going under ==Asia== (and so forth). WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This is reasonable; another solution would be to change all level 3 to level 2. I think the level 3 is an artefact of the origins of this list, from the health systems article. If we do sort them by continent, we should do so according to the categories/continents named here: List of sovereign states and dependent territories by continent. --Karl.brown (talk) 18:44, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ --KarlB (talk) 01:20, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Recent updates
I've corrected this level 3 headings issue by adding continent dividers, and sorted the articles by continent, in alphabetical order. I also added links to the Category:Health by country category, as well as templates at the bottom that will show which articles are in need of creation. I went through and normalized and created redirects for all of these templates across all the places they were used, so that 'Health in X' will work (I didn't generally rename articles, just created redirects when necessary). I also created redirects to health sections within country articles, when they existed, so in some cases clicking on the templates will not bring you to a specific article but at least to the correct section. As you can see from the redlinks, there are still many countries where almost zero mention is made of health or healthcare anywhere in wikipedia. I hope others can help with this... Also would welcome thoughts on what to do with this page - is it useful? Shoudl we add more countries? Make country descriptions shorter? Reconsider the idea of transcluding a summary paragraph, so that paragraph gets maintained in a single place? --Karl.brown (talk) 16:44, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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Regarding 3.1.5.
About 3 years ago. the SIS card was discarded and it's function has been replaced by people's electronic identity card. here's an article from a reputable news source describing it: http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/18121/FOD-Fedict/article/detail/1798166/2014/02/21/SIS-is-verdwenen-leve-eID.dhtml We already had an electronic identity card for a few years ca 2005. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_national_identity_card It's the size of a standard credit card now. It used to be about double the size before. https://gvacdn.akamaized.net/Assets/Images_Upload/arch/2009/02/15/418999/wie-geen-nieuwe-identiteitskaart-heeft-wordt-geschrapt_1_515x0.jpg The new model contains a chip at the same location a bank card contains one. The sis card had one on the same spot. http://www.zita.be/static/media/img/tmp/620/242/c/2982/201204231039-1_siskaart-verdwijnt-tegen-2014.jpg The hardware pharmacies and doctors used to read sis cards before 2014 now reads the e-id that came out in 2005 which makes it so we have 1 less card to carry around with us. Foreigners with a permanent residency permit get a similar card called an EVK: http://www.tongeren.be/Digitale_balie:1447/Productcatalogus/Producten/Burgerzaken/Elektronische_vreemdelingenkaart_EVK That card can also be used at the doctor or pharmacy much like an eid card. https://www.klav.be/klavinfo/nl/einde-sis-kaart-attest-sociaal-verzekerde The EVK also replaces the need to carry around residency papers. https://www.vlaanderen.be/nl/gemeenten-en-provincies/dienstverlening-van-gemeenten-en-provincies/elektronische-vreemdelingenkaart I have not edited the main article. My comment here contains the needed sources I think. Anyone who does regular maintenance in this page feel free to correct the main article. Friendly regards. 83.101.80.97 (talk) 01:30, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in Health systems by country
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Reference named "who": From Health in Turkey:  From Health in Djibouti:  From Typhoid fever:  From Healthcare in Peru:  

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Validity of categorization system?
Most public health and organizations and sources I've seen categorize health systems into Beveridge (healthcare by the government, exemplified by Britain's NHS), Medicare (health coverage by the government, such as in Canada and Australia), Bismark (private health coverage payed for via taxes, such as in Germany and France), ACA (a relatively new category in which private health coverage is payed for privately but mandatory, found in the United States, Netherlands, and Switzerland), and optional (no mandate, healthcare only publicly funded for subsets of the population). The system currently in use seems highly inconsistent and open to interpretation (for example, where the US falls given Medicaid and Medicare). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.63.85.62 (talk) 19:15, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

U.S. does not have mandatory health insurance system, it should be in last category. Borysk5 (talk) 08:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

USA and Universal health care
https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/countries-free-healthcare.php This article states that a 90% threshold is considered Universal healthcare that the USA fall under. Japhes23 (talk) 12:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)