Talk:Helena Barlow

Promotional edits and sourcing

 * I see that you have put a lot of work into the Helena Barlow article, however the majority of the edits were not inline with Wikipedia policy. There were two issues that were the most worrisome; referencing and neutrality.

1) Sourcing in BLPs needs to be of the highest standard; the majority of the sources you used do not meet this criteria (e.g IMDB, findmypast.com, fan sites, agencies). For more information regarding the use of IMDB, see here, here, and here. The use of websites such as findmypast.com call for supposition (person x is the same as the one in the article), which is a form of original research. Secondary sources are much preferable. Finally, agency websites and official fansites/blogs are obviously skewed in favour of the BLP subject which effects their neutrality. This is especially true when used to support positive statements such as reviews of performances. This leads to the second major issue with the content you added;

2) your edits were way too promotionally-toned (very likely due to the types of sources you used). Wikipedia is an encyclopedia designed to include facts regarding topics. Adding promotional material (even if unintended) is inappropriate. Examples of this were the use of wording such as "she enjoyed a bit part in The Nutcracker", "her character was described as “effervescent and talented", "stars such talents as Bernice Stegers and Cillian Murphy". The majority of the prose you added consists of which famous actors, other than the subject, are involved in the project as well as overlong descriptions of the roles. This is all a form of puffery.

The article could certainly be expanded, however given the amount of work the young actress has completed there is likely only a paragraph at tops that could be added without without running afoul of Wikipedia's policy regarding promotion by turning the article into what is essentially a glowing advertisement. Please ensure any material added is supported by reliable sources and worked neutrally.--Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 23:41, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry. I did not realise these errors. Anything for the purpose of promotion was entirely unintentional. I greatly apologise. I should have brought up any concerns or questions about appropriate content for the article before I did anything.


 * With that being said, I do have a question: why would her theatre credits be removed and her most current film project Harriet and the Matches? Is there some way these credits can properly be included? --JDNightMhalelOsamaGhobhadi (talk) 04:47, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Please don't apologize, it's the sources you used that skewed the material into promotional territory, and identifying which sources are reliable in which contexts can take a bit of time and experience. I'm sorry that your edits were removed wholesale, as there was some completely valid content and references added with regard to the filmography, but the good edits were so entwined with the poorly sourced/POV ones that I couldn't separate them. Please do restore any of the neutral sourced content you added (such as the film/theatre credits). They are still viewable in the article history. --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 18:59, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright, thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I will only revert the edits back to the credits. I'll leave the main article content alone for now until I can find more reliable sources and reword the content that sounded promotional. I have another question too: could her agency page with United Agents be added as an external link as well as the official film website for Harriet and the Matches? --JDNightMhalelOsamaGhobhadi (talk) 20:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Celebrity agency links are promotional and, per WP:EL, should not be included (they are essentially selling a product - i.e. their client). The director's website is not a very neutral source for her appearance in the film (as once again she has an interest in promoting her product), however it could be used as a place-holder reference until the short is covered in independent news sources. --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 21:21, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clearing that up. --JDNightMhalelOsamaGhobhadi (talk) 16:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Birth Date and Full Name
Barlow's full name is Helena Josephine Barlow. She was born in September 1998 in Lambeth, London, England.

Source: England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005. General Register Office. England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes. London, England: General Register Office. Print.

--71.55.124.41 (talk) 20:18, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

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