Talk:Helena Christensen

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Edofedinburgh 01:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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Periods
whoever edited the article removed all the PERIODS.................. please stop that.
 * well, at least we havent run out of them. you have some, and i have some too, so if anyone removes more, we can always use these:....................................75.61.132.46 (talk) 05:00, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Maternal ancestry
The early life section of the article states that her mother is Peruvian, but doesn't specify extraction. She is in the Native South American people category. Is her mother an Amerindian or a Mestizo? Does the multiracial people category apply? If mother is (part-)Amerindian, then it should. Werdnawerdna (talk) 03:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

My recent edits
Hey folks,

In dealing with an OTRS-related BLP issue, I have stripped some stuff from this article for being inaccurate and/or a misrepresentation of the sources. Keegan (talk) 03:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Question re birthdate
Question?- how can she have won the Miss Denmark crown at the age of sixteen in 1987? If she was born in 1968, this would make her 19 or 18 since her birthdate is late in the year. (asked by 164.167.34.67 within article).

Sources to track down - help!

 * Photography exhibits and publications
 * Jalouse (October 2005). Article "Palette Scandinave Une mode grand froid menu du Nord... peaux lainées, fourrures et volumes oversize." Photos: Helena Christensen. Réalization: Isabelle Peyrut. Model: Marianne Shroder. Jalouse Magazine No. 84 pp.150-161.  Images don't zoom enough, but the text below does declare authorship. --Lexein (talk) 18:17, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

No Chanel NEXUS show
Christensen's "A quiet story" is NOT appearing at Chanel NEXUS in 2010. Confirmed. The unsourced claim was added to the article in January 2008 at the bottom, below references, and has been copied to over 300 places on the 'net since then including two Mexican magazines. Ay caramba! --Lexein (talk) 19:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

"Founder" issue resolved - don't claim "founder."
There was an OTRS/BLP issue a while back. I have moved Christensen's "founder" credit out of the text, to a note, where its sense as an honorific, rather than a noun, is clearer. --Lexein (talk) 05:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Neumann not founder
As of 23 August 2010, no (zero) reliable sources have been found to support the claim of Michael 'Mic' Neumann as a literal founder. WP:Biographies of living persons stringently requires that ONLY notable verifiable reliable sources be used. If Neumann was involved at the creation of Nylon Magazine it should be easy to find three reliable sources to support it.

For years this article has been copy/pasted into blogs, wikis and even a tabloid without being fact-checked. Neumann escaped my scrutiny until User:Cameron Scott's persistent (but non-explicative) reverts prompted me to dig deeper.

This article is about Helena Christensen, not Nylon Magazine. Content about its founding, investing, business issues should go in the Nylon (magazine) article, which as of this moment, needs the sources from this article. --Lexein (talk) 18:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

RM RS, edit comments
--Lexein (talk) 05:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * User:Cameron Scott, please write precise edit summaries. There was no indication in your edit summaries that Neumann was the issue - this became clear much, much later in the day. I was focused on sourcing Christensen's position at Nylon. No-source Neumann out, sourced name in.

Unexplained deletion of long-standing, well-sourced material
Her public, multiply documented and sourced statements are decidedly "encyclopedic." I'm reverting recent deletions as inadequately explained, off policy, undiscussed, and out of step with long-standing agreement by many, many other editors. That someone (perhaps) canvassed other editors for help in that deletion does nothing to support the deletion. I won't be silent, or compliant, in the face of deletion of sourced content. This particular topic (cheese) has been discussed and quite thoroughly answered here: User_talk:Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz.

As I stated in my prior revert edit summary, the section may merit trimming but not deletion. Discuss. --Lexein (talk) 23:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It's fairly easy for "sourced" content to be unencyclopedic, and a subject's tastes in cheese (except, perhaps, for someone whose notability is principally culinary or gastronomical) would rather plainly appear to lack encyclopedic significance, especially when bloated up to virtually the longest paragraph in the article. Lexein's allegations of misbehavior and vaguely ominous references to his intentions are pretty . . . no, I won't say it. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:46, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It's been brought up in discussion, so it's disruptive to try to maintain the deletion, until a consensus of a significant number of interested editors takes place. Editors who feel passionately about issues should read WP:TIGERS, or take up some other WP:DISPUTE resolution procedure. In the meantime, skip the insinuations and about me. Pushing for a deletion, rather than working to improve the section by appropriate editing, is inappropriate.  Did you examine the sources?  As for "bloated up to virtually the longest paragraph in the article" - well, if the rest of the article is lacking, it might help if you worked on expanding it.  --Lexein (talk) 00:28, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * "I like it and I don't care if every other editor who's expressed an opinion wants it removed" is not a justification for edit warring or similar disruption. And the only editor who falls under WP:TIGER would be the only who says "I won't be silent, or be compliant, in the face of deletion of sourced content" == and that's you. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 00:55, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am the one who deleted the "cheese" stuff. Yes, we have sources, but compared to her long and very notable career as a model, this stuff about cheese is trivial and IMHO not worth a mention. Certainly the extent of the paragraph is completely overblown. --BweeB (talk) 07:45, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for discussing. For a long and notable career, the article is still mighty slim. It rather needs content.  I'd like to see more editors actually contribute material, rather than be so determined to merely delete.
 * What constitutes trivia is pretty subjective. As such, it is not mandatorily subject to deletion, according WP:TRIVIA, but should be integrated. I'm not a fan at all of indiscriminate trivia. The main reason I saw for maintaining the cheese content, with quotes, is because Christensen spoke about it clearly, passionately, and repeatedly, and declared it important in her life. For inclusion, this falls under the category of personal life, so it was in the right section. Some celebrities have pets, or pet projects; Christensen has been vocal about cheese.  It's not our job to declare unimportant something that a primary source declares is important.  The sources speak for themselves.  This is the reason I suggested in edit summaries and comments, that editing is preferable than deletion.
 * I'd like to see an explanation of how deleting her quotes, but maintaining the claim, helps the article. Sans quotes, the cheese item is impossible to integrate well as prose, as suggested by WP:TRIVIA.  The quotes provided context, and establish some of what Christensen wanted to say about herself, that she felt was not just momentarily important, but an important part of her life, and why it was important.  Note that I don't care which quotes, or what sort of paraphrasing: the claim alone, without expansion, sucks.
 * Before deleting them, did you notice that I had already edited down the quotes?
 * Going forward, the sources include other material which should quite reasonably be mined for article content. I'd like to see User:Cirt take a whack at it.
 * --Lexein (talk) 21:44, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

IMDB stuff
I've moved the following here for discussion, by way of explanation to the newbie:
 * As a child Helena Christensen was more interested in becoming a musician, but as fate would have it began modeling at the age of 9. After leaving school, she moved to Paris, France to model for the french magazine 'Elle', and in 1986 she competed in the Miss Universe contest as Miss Denmark, but unfortunately did not receive a placing. Her big break came in June of 1989 when she was discovered by photographer Friedemann Hauss, who instinctively knew that Helena was a 'natural' in terms of modeling ability.


 * 1) IMDB is not a WP:Reliable source by itself, because it is user-generated content.
 * 2) The above material is copy/pasted from IMDb. This is COPYVIO, and we cannot allow it to be posted.
 * 3) If any of the above statements are true, we need newspaper, magazine, and/or book articles supporting them, to be allowed in this WP:Biography of a living person. Please contribute, but keep in mind WP:42 and WP:BLP. --Lexein (talk) 05:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

COI edit?
I have reverted a recent major edit due to deletion of sourced content without explanation, and addition of unsourced content. Kept the Triumph lingerie line, because UK Vogue supported the claim. The skincare line seems unsourceable, and she has been cited as using plenty of other brands as recently as 2012, even though she was named "brand ambassador" for a Denmark brand.. The edit was performed by User:Gavinm25, someone who may know, or represent, Christensen, but who has not declared their WP:COI. --Lexein (talk) 17:47, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

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