Talk:Hell-fire trigger

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The Hellfire trigger may be legal by itself, but attached to a gun?

--24.194.156.47 15:58, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

The statement about this item's legality is inconsistent with the what I can find. This device appears to create a machine gun for the purposes of the National Firearms Act.

See US Code Title 18, sec 921; title 18, sec 922; and title 26, sec 5845.

Gronk713 20:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)gronk713

I'll have to look up the actual book page, but as a firearms dealer the book that accompanies the FFL describes fully automatic weapons as "Firing reapeatedly by holding down the trigger." The Hellfire just lets you fire faster, if this gets considered fully automatic then I guess top grade quick shooters are SOL. 70.169.127.35 (talk) 05:09, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

First of all, I think HellFire Systems was a company based in Colorado that is no longer in business. There are multiple different types of devices designed to allow the user to fire quickly in semi-auto mode including various types of bump-fire stocks and positive-reset triggers made by various different companies. The HellFire device is just one design among many. These sorts of devices are not prohibited under federal law because they still only allow one round to be discharged per trigger pull - so the gun is still semi-automatic. ATF explicitly approved the HellFire device in writing as well as many other types of devices which serve a similar purpose.

On most semi-automatics after you've squeezed the trigger you have to release it a bit (referred to as a trigger reset) and then squeeze it again to fire the next round. With a positive-reset type trigger the trigger reset occurs on its own - the trigger is forced into the reset position and all you have to do is squeeze it again to fire the next round. I believe the HellFire device was just basically an adjustable spring which applies pressure to the back of the trigger. The idea is that the spring tension - combined with the recoil after firing a round - will provide enough force to reset the trigger so that the shooter can simply squeeze it again to fire the next round. So the HellFire device is not quite the same thing as a positive-reset trigger, but it's an easy modification which produces a similar effect.

I'm not sure the one device designed by HellFire systems is very interesting or notable, and I'm surprised it has its own page.

24.151.32.60 (talk) 14:34, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

practicality
The hellfire is not used by any military or police unit. It does allow a "torture test" of a newly assembled semi-auto under controlled firing range conditions, but really is not recommended as a serious weapons system. It is usually sold with a copy of a letter from the ATF describing its legality.Naaman Brown (talk) 22:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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