Talk:Hernia repair

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 * http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Herniorraphy&word2=Herniorrhaphy -- Beardo 04:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The section on "Dr.Desarda's repair" is very suspicious to me. It is written in poor English and recommend the reader contact the Doctor, which implies to me some sort of self promotion - particularly since the sources linked to are ALL papers by Dr. Desarda themselves. I would recommend erasing or heavily rewriting this section for a neutral stance, using independent sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.34.215 (talk) 21:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I strongly agree. There is no commonly accepted technique used in popular practice by this name. I have deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.16.102.100 (talk) 03:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I've actually deleted it. It looks like an example of self promotion to me - the website linked below was a direct link to a sales website(effectivly). One of the publications(or two of them) looked peer reviewed, but thats still not an excuse for self reference to that degree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.132.69 (talk) 11:49, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

This "Desarda" joker is back at it. I have deleted those bogus references, again. Ryanbibler (talk) 20:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that Desarda is a pain (at least he could learn how to do edits properly) but it appears that in his most recent edits Ryanbibler removed all of the references (accidentally?). Desarda's technique is not accepted widely, but neither is it completely snake oil - he has been published in respectable journals. We should remember that herniorrhaphy is the most common general surgical procedure, and that huge profits are made by the profession and surgical supply companies by using and promoting the established techniques. Desarda's technique at least does not use the usual expensive surgical supplies (meshes, titanium staples, etc) and thus could be very useful in developing countries especially. Also, in the spirit of "being bold", I think Wikipedia should provide a place for heterodox ideas: we need only remember that the recent winners of the Nobel prize for Medicine - Barry Marshall and Robin Warren - were for many years dismissed as cranks by the gastroenterological establishment.


 * Accordingly, I have reverted to the most recent edit with all the (properly wikified) references intact, and I have incorporated all the legitimate edits since and have modified Desarda's entry to improve its grammar and readability. Hopefully this will keep everyone happy. Marschalko (talk) 04:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You've got to be kidding me. A "Doctor" who sells CD's of the his surgeries to prospective clients? Anyone doing a google search of "inguinal hernia" will find dozens, if not hundreds, of similar crank India-based doctors and hospitals that promise you not only a cheap surgery, but that you'll be bounding on your way within a couple days. No reasonable medical body asserts such ridiculously short times on the procedure, and certainly the actual PUBLISHED research that Desarda lists on his website does not make anywhere near the same claims that he says on his website. He doesn't make those claims in peer reviewed research because he knows it would never get published. Take for instance what we see on his website:
 * IT IS NORMALLY POSSIBLE TO GO HOME IN A DAY, DRIVE YOUR CAR & BE BACK AT WORK THE NEXT 2-3 DAYS
 * and then in the peer reviewed paper
 * The postoperative period was comfortable with a hospital stay of 2–3 days and a return to work within 1–2 weeks.
 * Notice the lack of overwrought promises? No way is this guys stuff considered a legitimate technique, certainly not when he clearly can't keep his stories straight on his own website. Wikipedia is not a dustbin for cranks to push their own agenda. 24.88.79.249 (talk) 19:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Herniae?
Is herniae the plural of hernia? DavidFarmbrough (talk) 18:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I have a problem with the title of this page.., Hernia repair, herniorrhaphy and hernioplasty are in no way synonymous!!! Herniorrhaphy and hernioplasty are subtypes of hernia repair and so is the herniotomy.... Herniotomy is mere excision of the sac as is done for indirect inguinal herniae in children. Herniorrhaphy and hernioplasty involve excision of the sac and repair of the defect... with native tissues in herniorrhapy (Bassini, Shouldice, Halstead) while hernioplasty (e.g. mesh repair) involves the use of synthetic materials. HERNIA REPAIR IS THIS PAGE'S TRUE TITLE!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.27.85.37 (talk) 00:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I have added a merge proposal tag to the article following the comments in the above unsigned edit. Hernia repair already exists as a redirect with a short history (so it must be merged rather than renamed, if that is what is ultimately agreed). Marschalko (talk) 10:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I have reverted the recent edit that removed the merge proposal tag as the issue of the proper title for the page has not been resolved. It would appear on the face of it that the title should be "Hernia repair". Are there any specific objections to the change? Marschalko (talk) 03:58, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

As no action has been taken in the last three years, and given the difference between hernia (group term) and inguinal hernia (specific pathology) I have removed the tag and left the two articles seperate. LT90001 (talk) 13:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Expansion of article: clarification of repairs for different hernia types
Although the existence of several types of hernias is noted - the content of the article seems to deal solely with the repair of inguinal hernias and not at all with other types (umbilical, for example).

If the methods of repair apply to all types of hernias, the article would benefit from that being made clear. If they do not, the article would benefit from clarifying what repair methods apply to what type of hernia.119.148.228.135 (talk) 08:56, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

As a specialist hernia Nurse, I agree. The article's title "Herniorrhaphy" is misleading and defunct. "hernioplasty" or "mesh hernioplasty" would be closer.

However, the esoteric language of the medical world isn't usually how people search Wiki. Most people come to us via searching for more mundane terms.

Combine the articles with "hernia repair" and have links to other types of hernias (incisional, epigastric, Spigelian, etc)--Ella Hall (talk) 00:42, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 11:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Herniorrhaphy → Hernia repair – This article is a general discussion of the various types of hernia repair, including herniorrhapy, hernioplasty and herniotomy. As such, the appropriate title for this article is Hernia repair. DiverDave (talk) 13:20, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I support the proposal to rename/move the page to Hernia repair. Marschalko (talk) 20:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Previous version
Edit history to be overwritten by the move and not mergable owing to date overlap:

''This is an old revision of this page, as edited by M H EDWARDS (talk | contribs | block) at 01:56, 23 February 2007. It may differ significantly from the current revision. (del/undel) (diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)

''Operative details and information for patients with hernia

''Operative details of the above operations can be seen in the surgical scripts presented in Wikisurgery/General Paediatric Surgery. Information for patients is also presented in Wikisurgery/General and Paediatric Surgery''

Possibly of copyleft interest and/or use in the current article. Andrewa (talk) 11:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)