Talk:Herpes/Archive 1

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The article states that herpes is a sensitive virus and can only survive under certain conditions, hence as stated it is unlikely one can get herpes from a toilet seat or towel; but then the article continues with stating that herpes can live on the blades of razors and one can contract the virus that way if one shares a razor with an infected person. This does not make sense, because if herpes cannot survive on things such as a towel or toilet seat, then how could it survive on the metal of razor, would in my opinion would be a harsher environment for the virus. I'm no doctor but this doesn't seem right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.191.205.232 (talk) 10:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

JeffRedd

The difference between genital herpes and zoster is the type of virus that causes them. Genital herpes and cold sores are caused by the Herpes Simplex virus, whereas Zoster is an infection caused by the Herpes varicella-zoster virus. [1]

I still think this article gets way too scientific and yet lacks the basic information that oral herpes is different from genital herpes. It really sounds as if they are interchangeable. ````

They literally are interchangable. Many people get HSV-1 ("oral") Herpes in their genital region, and many people get HSV-2 ("genital") Herpes in their mouth. The virus are histotropic -- meaning there is a kind of tissue ("histo") which they prefer to grwo in (tropism). In the case of HSV-1, it does better in the trigeminal ganglia (the nerve bundle near the mouth) while HSV-2 does better in the lumbar nerves (nerves in the lower body). Both of them can infect and remain latent in nerves anywhere in the body. For example, people can get "hand herpes" (Herpetic whitlow) when either of the HSV-1 or HSV-2 lie dormant in the cervical ganglia. People have a genotype (or strain) of Herpes (HSV-1 or HSV-2) and they have that genotype in a specific place (Oral, genital, whitlow, etc.). The place the Herpes maintians its presence depends on two things: the genotype (or strain), and -- much more importantly -- where on the body the initial infection occured. If someone gets HSV-2 on their broken lip, it will very likely give them HSV-2 orally, and the HSV will live in their trigeminal ganglia. The main difference is that, because HSV-2 has more affinity for the genitals, 2 is associated with genital infection and therefore that is the test you can obtain at an STD clinic. ManVhv 08:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

quick question

How is Herpes Zoster related to Genital Herpes?

• Quick answer, it's not User:GrahamColm —Preceding comment was added at 20:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

They are on the same viral family, herpesviridae. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.145.140.232 (talk) 16:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Doubtful Percentage

" . Because about 20% of persons in the United States have HSV-1 infection, this further reduces the population for whom this vaccine might be appropriate." 20% for HSV-1? I Think its much higher. Somewhere around here say its present in 50-80% of people older than 50. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.145.140.232 (talk) 16:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Rename

I suggest that Herpes should be redirected to an article about the family of Herpes viruses, which include Herpes Simplex Virus, Epstein-Barr virus, Varicella-Zoster virus and Kaposi's Sarcoma Herpes Virus. "Herpes" does not by default mean Herpes Simplex Virus, which is just one species of the family. /80.217.232.217 10:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Name

Might I suggest just renaming this "herpes". "Herpes simplex virus disease" isn't a term that is commonly used -- Samir धर्म 06:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Agree. --Arcadian 06:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

On second thought, how about renaming it to "herpes simplex"? It's a little less common, but it runs less risk of confusion with the other Herpesviridae diseases. --Arcadian 06:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Sounds reasonable -- Samir धर्म 06:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

porn stars

Anyone know anything on the facts, figures on porn stars and herpes. many times they perform oral sex without a condom

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.182.100 (talk • contribs) 22:12, 14 September 2006

Don't know about porn stars specifically. However, the odds are probably higher than the typical population. Here's a fact that may help you out though. Herpes Simplex Virus or HSV is so common that anyone is at risk - including lifelong monogamous couples, even in the case of genital herpes, which can be either HSV-1(oral) or HSV-2 (genital). This is because almost everyone has had a cold sore (Also known as HSV-1) which can be transmitted during oral sex. Now you have genital HSV-1. So herpes is herpes, whether it is oral or genital. The difference is the way we as a society look at the virus. If it's a cold sore it's acceptable, if it's genital, whoa! This one's loose and easy. So as for porn stars, I think given the facts they are at a higher risk for some form of the herpes virus. Just a side note, HZV (shingles) and EBV (mono) are also from the herpes family.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sip (talk • contribs) 23:40, 19 September 2006

CMV is also mono (and also herpes family) --Ryan Wise 08:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's some information on porn stars and herpes: http://www.genital-herpes-corner.com/herpes-and-pornography.html

effectiveness of barrier protection

The article says;

Condoms will not prevent the spread of Herpes from the genitals of one partner to the mouth of the other during oral sex. Condoms will not prevent the spread of Herpes from the mouth/face of a male partner to the genitals of a female during oral sex.

But barrier protection should work, no?--Ryan Wise 08:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

listen to that scrap. CONDOMS will not prevent the spread of herpes from the MOUTH/FACE of a MALE partner to the GENITALS of a FEMALE during ORAL SEX. duh!! IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT THINKS IF A GUY PUTS ON A CONDOM IT WILL HELP PREVENT HIM FROM SPREADING HERPES WHEN HE IS GIVING ORAL TO A WOMAN????? that is just a stupid statement unless he is putting the condom on his tongue? YUMMY!!!! just like bubble gum, huh?

that article is not referring to the right kind of barrier protection for a man giving oral to a woman. i have never heard it referred to as a condom. with the proper barrier protection, made for women receiving oral, it should be effective.

Other Topical Ointments

I wonder why products such as Campho-Phenique, Carmex, and Blistex Lip Ointment were not mentioned. All of them claim to help relieve cold-sores in some way or another. Also, the article should mention the effects camphor and phenol have on cold-sores. Killer Swath 03:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

There are no references that corroborate the efficacy of these medications. How do we know that they were not mentioned here by their manufacturers to promote sales? Can we get some references that lend credence to these claims? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.101.113 (talk) 03:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Discussion about merging Herpes simplex with Herpes simplex virus

I think the two articles are the same. Herpes simplex is a virus. After reviewing the articles I got the impression they say the same thing about the same subject. I recommend merging and cleaning the articles up. Killer Swath 19:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge. Info on HS over to HSV, don't bother differentiating the virus from it's expression (i.e. cold sores) except as it comes up naturally in the article. One seems to be about the virus, the other seems to be about the disease/symptoms/visible expression of the virus (i.e. the cold sores themselves). Unless there's a lot of extra information about the virus per se that doesn't influence the expression/symptoms of having HSV, I'd say merge. I think the info on this page should be merged over to the HSV page. There's bits of info on the HSV page that doesn't seem to be covered on this page (after a brief read-through), and there isn't really any info on the virus specifically (as opposed to the disease) on the HSV page. HSV is the more inclusive title - as far as I know Herpes Simplex just refers to the virus itself. But I'm not an expert. WLU 21:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge some sections of Herpes Simplex Virus (e.g. "Legal Redress") to the Herpes Simplex article. The intent of the virus article seems to be a more-technical article with a focus on the microbiology of Herpes Simplex Virus. Perhaps that article should be retitled "Herpes Simplex Virus Microbiology," but I do think there is a need for two different articles. I think it is important that two articles remain. ManVhv 01:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I admit, I do not know which article should be merged with which. Herpes simplex virus is a lot more professional looking and has a B rating and top priority. I cannot even find the rating to this article. Formating aside, I find the content very similar. They both describe the Herpes Simplex Virus type I and II. I do agree the "virus" page has more technical detail and more focus on microbiology. But why can't we make that a topic instead of a whole article. There could be a section that focuses on microbiology. It is the same virus, why have two articles? Just my opinion. Killer Swath 06:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I would hope that all the microbiology which could be written about HSV would be a super large article. I know that the info exists about practically every gene in the HSV genome -- what stage it operates in, what type of protein it codes for, sometimes what the protein does -- that there is reason to hope wikipedia may organize all that information in a way that is useful for researchers. ManVhv 05:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Or, herpes simplex should be re-titled 'herpes simplex infection.' There should also be more of a focus on the virus itself, 'cause a lot of the HSV article focusses on the illness itself. There's a ton of overlap between them. WLU

Discussion about merging Herpes simplex with Herpes simplex virus

Definitely merge them...this is ridiculous. It's like having an article on chicken pox the virus and on chicken pox the disease. Dale 00:41, 25 December 2006 (UTC)DRosenbach

• Oppose merge. Subjects are distinct, detailed, and of interest to different audiences. A better analogy is HIV and AIDS. --Arcadian 00:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree the two should be merged, starting with a discussion of symptoms so people can easily identify what the virus is. The articles seem quite repetitive - the cross-referencing is absolutely necessary to prevent people from thinking they've read everything on the subject when they read one entry. I can't imagein looking for one of these entries without wanting to read them both.

Herpes Cure site - add suggestion

I discovered this website some time ago, which has a very easy and safe method to cure herpes with the use of Zinc explained on it. The url is http://www.the-cures.net/

Many people would probably find this information very useful and of great help, so I suggest the url be added in the external links section so people can get to know about it.

I've not had any outbreaks myself in 6 months now thanks to the information I found on that site, and I'm very greatful to have been able to find this cure. There is also other methods described, and its backed up with lots of research and information as well as peoples personal experiences with such treatments.

According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), there is no cure for herpes. MoodyGroove 02:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

I removed the link, along with a number of others, as spam. JDoorjam JDiscourse 23:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I discovered this interesting link a while ago: www.makeyourcockbigger.com it really works! here is my story: [insert story about guy who feels inadiquit and then finds some miralce tablets and he is now a sex god and the woman respect him] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.11.1 (talk) 14:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Herpes pipelines

Could someone please do the legwork and include companies with HSV-1/2 research, such as: AlphaVax, Antigenics, Biovex, Cytogenix, Juvaris, etc...?

There are more.

Herpes gladiatorum

How is herpes gladiatorum related? There was a CNN article about it today [2], and I see no info about it on Wikipedia. --zandperl 22:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I was actually looking for information on herpes gladiatorum as well... I second this addition as well.

It says here: http://hometownsource.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=546 that "The Minnesota High School wrestling community has been experiencing an outbreak of Herpes Gladiatorum, a skin infection due to Herpes Simplex type-1 virus." 68.199.241.212 04:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone know the history of herpes?

??? When did it first appear? What is the history of the disease?--Remi0o 07:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Here's a link that answers your question. Might be worth including somewhere: [3]

Myths

under all the myths it says there all fact. Some are obviously not fact, but as to correcting it i will leave that alone because im not sure on some whether there right or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.113.169 (talk • contribs)

Actually, it says what the myth is, then what is factually correct (the part after Fact:), not that all of the myths are facts. -- MarcoTolo 23:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

INSIDE the mouth....

What should someone do if they get a possible (unknown yet) herpes sore IN their mouth... and should they not touch it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Phoenix7289 (talk • contribs) 23:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

i would start by seeing a doctor. free medical advice on wikipedia is not a good idea. after all, it is the free online encyclopedia that anyone can write or edit! 202.156.11.1 14:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Diagnosis

There's nothing in the article about the diagnosis of herpes? Can it be tested for in the blood? Can it be tested for by a swab? There's stuff on symptoms, but if it can't be tested for this is worth knowing when reading the article. (This immediately lets people know that it's something they have to check for in partners and not something that can be gained from std examinations). - Daniel

Link removal

I have marked MPWH.net for removal from Wikipedia per the FAQ, as their article reads like SPAM/direct advertising. In as much, please remove their link from this article. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pureimaginari (talk • contribs) 02:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Link suggestion

You may find this website interesting if you are curious about natural products that are having success with controlling herpes outbreaks. http://www.stop-herpes-outbreaks.net is a site that discusses herpes and gives alot of good information about the virus, but what was interesting was the discussion about a mushroom called Agaricus Blazei Murill that is grown in Brazil. It has been known for along time that it is helpful in most cancers, but now they are discovering that it is reversing and controlling viruses such as herpes and HIV, as well as flu's, and the common cold. Of course there is no cure, but if something is really controlling a virus such as herpes, that is the next best thing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparkysx (talk • contribs)

Spam, I oppose inclusion - no research and it's trying to sell stuff. WLU 14:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

BHT

Anyone thought of putting information on BHT in the article? It's been said that it removed symptoms entirely from some people with herpes. It is technically a food preservative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.71.30 (talk • contribs)

Need a ref; a good ref. Also, herpes is asymptomatic unless it's actively forming blisters, removing symptoms doesn't really make sense. 'Prevents outbreaks might', but would need a really good reference. WLU 20:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Cold Sore vs. canker sore

cold sore links here, but there is almost no information about cold sores in the article - ie what are the differences between cold sores and canker sores, etc. in this respect, aphthous ulcer is a much more useful article to the layperson.80.174.134.86 03:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC) duh,canker sores sting more than cold sores[user:aerowolf9]october 25,2007

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Aerowolf9 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree, cold sores needs its own article. hateless 17:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree, but I think cold sore should link to oral ulcer instead.

One type protecting against the other?

Somewhere, I once read that having one type of the virus IN ONE LOCATION (mouth, genitals) affords some partial immunity protection against acquiring the other type IN THAT LOCATION. So the idea is, if you have one type--either type--at the mouth, you have some immunity protection against the other at the mouth. And similarly at the genitals. The idea was, although there has been an increase in HSV-1 infections at the genitals, there hasn't been a corresponding increase of HSV-2 oral infections, because so many people already have HSV-1 at the mouth, even if they don't know it. Does anybody know if this is true? I found it on the Internet a few years ago, and I haven't been able to find it again--nor do I remember who posted it. 72.66.108.162 22:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

From what I have read having HSV-2 gives 'considerable' immunity to infection of HSV-1 on any part of the body. But the immunity offered by HSV-1 to HSV-2 is a 'lot less'. Best I can do.

cold sore = herpes?

are cold sores just oral herpes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.11.1 (talk) 14:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

• Not really, oral herpes (herpetic stomatitis) is much nastier User:GrahamColm —Preceding comment was added at 20:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• YES, cold sores are infections of herpes simplex. 97.81.67.128 (talk) 19:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Future vaccines

Section says 20% of people have HSV-1. What the F? Doesn't match the figures mentioned in the rest of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.30.45 (talk) 02:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Severity of first outbreak

We need better proof than the fact that I didn't get my first cold sore until I was 15 and it felt as if someone had taken a razor blade to my entire mouth for the best part of a week.Tweeq (talk) 00:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Unproved triggers of oral herpes outbreaks

Article says "Generalized psychological stress and anxiety are also triggers." I doubt there is any hard proof of this assertion. Just like the white ulcers in the mouth (canker sores), doctors cite these factors when they can't find a cure.

Contradiction

There are numerous statements to the effect of "A person who has already seroconverted cannot get another infection of herpes." (See halfway through the subsection on neonatal herpes simplex, the end of the subsection on Herpes Whitlow, and the section on Transmission for examples.) However, there is also the risk of autoinoculation as described in the section on Self reinfection. This is clearly a contradiction within the article: if one is protected from infection in a different region of the body by seroconversion, how can autoinoculation occur? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.67.128 (talk) 17:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Autoinoculation means that the person infected himself, not from another source. Because one cannot get another HSV-1 infection after primary infection, it is during primary infection before seroconversion that autoinoculation occurs. The classic case would be a child with primary HSV-1 oral infection sucking his thumb and giving himself a herpetic whitlow. As a side note, in the medical profession, particularly amongst oral and dental healthcare workers, herpetic whitlow is usually HSV-1. Amongst the general population it is usually HSV-2. pikipiki (talk) 07:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

mistake

152.78.11.182 (talk) 12:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC) not sure if I am posting this correctly or in the right place, but the artical states that Bell's Palsy can be caused by infection with human herpes simplex. Bell's Palsy is an IDIOPATHIC facial nerve palsy e.g a weakness/paralysis of the muscles supplied by the facial nerve without an identifiable cause. A facial nerve palsy caused by HHS is of course possible but it is no longer a "Bell's Palsy" as we know the cause.

Possible Spam link

herpes.co.uk is currently linked as "Genital Herpes Pictures and Resource" but is just Spam in my opinion. I move for its deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.248.254 (talk) 09:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)