Talk:High School Musical/Archive 2

Stage Musical Article
Most of the stuff about the stage musical doesn't really belong here. I think a new new article, entitled "High School Musical (Stage Musical"), should be created. When it is, here is the material from this article about it:

=Stage musical== Playbill announced on August 1, 2006 that the Stagedoor Manor summer theater camp, featured in the movie Camp, would be the first venue to produce High School Musical on-stage.

Disney Theatrical Productions and Music Theatre International granted the first license of the amateur stage production to the Loch Sheldrake, New York program, which was performed on August 18, 2006 and featured Jordan Campbell as Troy and Andrea Ross as Gabriella.

In the 2006-07 school year alone, more than 1,260 amateur productions of High School Musical will be mounted. Atlantic High School of Port Orange, Florida, being closer to Disney World than any of the other schools originally licensed to perform the stage show, was invited to Disney World to perform in the Walt Disney World Christmas Day Parade 2006, meet the original cast of the movie, and be interviewed by Disney Channel. Footage of this can be seen on "Disney 365" on Disney Channel. The Walt Disney World Christmas Day Parade 2006 aired on Christmas morning on ABC, with a short introduction about Atlantic's production by Regis Philbin and Kelly Ripa.

In September/October 2007, a large-scale production will be staged in Canberra, Australia under a Big-Top Circus Tent. The cast of the production will number more than 200. This will be made up of a double cast, each consisting of a core group of 40 teenagers, supported by a chorus of 60 children aged 8-14. In order to find and train the best possible young performers for the show, the production will be holding open auditions, Idol-style, on the center stage of Westfield Belconnen for six weeks during March and April.

Differences Between the Movie and Stage Show

 * The stage musical includes two new songs: "Counting On You" and "Cellular Fusion."
 * Jack Scott, a school announcer, joins the cast of characters and acts as the play's narrator.
 * Former extra song "I Can't Take My Eyes Off of You" has been added to the main repertoire, with slightly altered lyrics and without Sharpay and Ryan.
 * Jason's part is significantly smaller role in the play than in the movie. He has only one line, and does not end up with Kelsi.

Song List
Act 1


 * Wildcat Cheer - Company
 * Start of Something New – Troy, Gabriella, Company
 * Get’cha Head in the Game – Troy, Basketball Players
 * Auditions (Bop to the Top /What I’ve Been Looking For Medley) – Thespians
 * What I’ve Been Looking For – Ryan, Sharpay
 * What I’ve Been Looking For (Reprise) – Troy, Gabriella
 * Cellular Fusion - Chad, Taylor, Company
 * Stick to the Status Quo – Company, ryan, sharpay

Act 2


 * I Can't Take My Eyes Off of You - Troy, Gabriella
 * Wildcat Cheer (Reprise) – Cheerleaders
 * Counting on You – Basketball Players, Brainiacs
 * When There Was Me and You – Gabriella, Troy, Basketball Players, Brainiacs
 * Start of Something New (Reprise) – Troy, Gabriella
 * We’re All in This Together – Chad, Taylor, Kelsi, Basketball Players, Brainiacs
 * Bop to the Top – Sharpay, Ryan, Brainiacs, Basketball Players
 * Breaking Free – Troy, Gabriella, Company
 * We’re All in This Together (Reprise) – Company
 * High School Musical Megamix (Bows) - Company

Biased parts of article
LOL i like the sarcastic introduction of this article =D
 * The intro should be written in a more encyclopedic tone, as well as Troy's bio.

Sports and Drama
From my High School experience, it is very hard, if not impossible to play a time intensive sport such as basketball and be in a musical at the same time. This is especially true if it is a championship sports team. A sports coach wants a players total commitment to that sport, so the concept beheind this movie is impractical. This should maybe be mentioned in the article.
 * This is an opinion. Not fact. So it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. -Sukecchi 01:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If someone spends 2-3 hours a day practicing basketball, 5-7 days a week, when do they have time to be in a play. When that much time is put in, commitment is required, else they will not be on the team for very long. I'll look for specific articles later, but trust me, I know what I'm talking about. Basketball is a very time intensive sport that a player has to commit to.
 * It doesn't matter. It is an OPINION that they're difficult to do together. Someone's opinion is not encyclopedic so it does not belong in the article. -Sukecchi 11:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * For God's sake! It's not a documentary about basketball, it's fictional light entertainment! I'm now going to rewrite the articles for the Alien movies, criticising them to reflect the fact that the existence of extra-terrestrial is unproven, and for every other film that's based on a fictional or unproven premise...Martan 15:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think its funny that in the audition packets from our school for HSM our drama teacher clearly states that, "even though Zac Efron got way with being in a sport and being in the play dousn't mean that you can too!" I agree with Suckecchi, its still an opinion. --71.227.209.156 07:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

At my school the majority of the people in the annual musical are in basketball, wrestling, track, or even cheerleading. And quite a few people in the drama club can juggle acting or tech with sports. It's not impractical. But I agree with Martanon the Alien thing, also, in theatre there's a saying, "Suspension of Disbelief" people should look into it.Michael Cook 15:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This is the intranets, high school is not utopian like this, I know from experiance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crabworld (talk • contribs) 02:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

I play basket ball and sing.... Lotrtkdchic 15:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see WP:NOT - Wikipedia is not a discussion forum. Also, you're trying to argue the reality of a musical. This is make believe. We all accept that they are fantasy. People don't break out singing in the middle of the cafeteria and have strangers join them in a complicated, yet synchronized dance, even in New York City. We are no longer adding anything useful to the article in this discussion, so it needs to stop. -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 15:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality
I think that much of the article favors the movie, and therefore, it should be rewritten in a more neutral voice. Parts like the character descriptions, as well as the plot should really be looked at closely. The Remix Edition (see below) also has this problem. BTW, I'm sorry about vandalsism crap. It was late and I was really bored.

The Remix Edition section has a very unecyclopedic voice, as well as sensationalsim (Trying to sell a product).

There is already a sub-topic regarding the Remix edition. We should delete the remix edition post below.

Concert Band version
There is a song entitled "Highlights of High school Musical" written by someone. It consists of Breaking Free, The start of something new and We're all in this together in that order.

Is it an error?
There have been a few views on when the science girls close the laptop twice - is it an error or not? I think it isn't, as it is a different purpose. On an offhand note, does anyone agree with me with the whole Ashley Tisdale Tribute to Brenda Song on the Suite life of Zack and cody? You know, when she does the handclapping?
 * It seemed like an error to me. But where have you seen "a few views" on the scene; can you link us to any such talk? - Matthew238 00:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

This doesn't sound hidden
If you watch until the very end of High School Musical, after the credits, you can see a hidden scene in which Sharpay finds out how good the cookies Zeke made her tasted and runs up to him and hugs him with much enthusiasm, saying she loves him. This may have something to do with High School Musical 2. To me that really doesn't sound hidden. Lots of movies have a strange sence at the end like that. Bawolff 22:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * well what are you supposed to call that then?--Jak 21:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * an epilogue?--Martan 21:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets ends like that, with Lockheart moving in a book, and everyone ignoring him, but the prisoner of Azkaban doesn't mention Lockheart.--egandude123 23:23, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with whoever Bawolff is. This does happen in a lot of movies! It happened in "Shrek 2" for example. I am of the opinion that it's not hidden. Of course, the person who wrote the article does not know of any others that end with a "hidden ending." It's understandable. But I think we should fix it! Wikiwonder36 21:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't remember Sharpay saying she loves Zeke...she does call his cookies "genius!" though. Then she hugs him and asks if he'll make her more and then he replies, "I might even make you a creme brule!" But was there love mentioned? Chasingrainbows 17:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Chasingrainbows

It has been confirmed on the Disney Channel website that Zeke will not be in High School Musical 2 so that's kind of impossiple

Highest Selling DCOM soundtrack?

 * Somebody said that the HSM soundtrack was the highest selling soundtrack but I've also heard that it was The Cheetah Girls soundtrack. Can someone tell me more about this?

High School Musical sold more than the Cheetah Girls

During the anneversary of HSM and during a 2006 new years countdown it's been stated that the HSM soundtrack was the TOP selling album in 2006. So I guess it beats ALL.Michael Cook 15:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Spanish song in the movie

 * I think they should add something about the spanish song in the soundtrack that was actually a near translation of the song "What I've been looking for" that is titled "Eres tú" by "Belanova".

So many grammatical errors!
It needs clean-up. Also, the trivia section is really messed up. -leaves to edit-

&#124;vent&#124;rant&#124;rave&#124;bitch&#124; 23:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I clenaed it up a lot and fixed most of the grammar errors in the plot. -Rosepuff12 20:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I came here after seeing a note on cleanup and reverted the change of an apostrophe here. Apostrophes after the s signify that the noun is possessive to more than one person (or at least that's what I recall learning in school so many years ago. :) ) I just wanted to clarify that here. Cowman109 Talk 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Here we go: Apostrophe Cowman109 Talk 05:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Fixing Up (202.154.148.122)
Okay, The Plot Spoiler in the article is far more comprehensive and makes far more sense. No more 'Will Troy and Gabriella yada yada be able to do it?' sort of lines.

Removed the comments about removed images. They can always be recovered from previous edits.

Fixed many grammatical errors, and rearranged some text.

Fixed the 'Errors' section at the bottom, to remove the comments that someone so kindly put there.

get over the spelling and grammar

Plot
Actually, looking at the article, while the storyline is greatly improved (far better than previous edit) it still needs shortening.

Also, the character section needs cleanup (This is listed as a comment in the page source)

Please note also, the notice about condensing the plot collides with the frame containing the movie information.

I removed a good bit from the plot section to help clean up, but it's still too long. I didn't get to the last 3-4 paragraphs though. I'll work on the characters though. Judxapp 02:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

The Fireworks
Can someone confirm whether the fireworks would not have been allowed to fire due to snow (and cite a source, like a legislation or something) and whether the other (commented out) errors should just be removed?

I think that it is supposed to be romantic so ...let it be hsmfan according to the "pop-up edition" of the movie that scene was filmed during the day. That wasn't snow, it was potato flakes, and those weren't real fireworks.Michael Cook 03:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Why Illegal Immigrants Comment was deleted?
I added in a comment noting that some critics(me as well as some others) of the movie have said that Sharpay's hostility towards Gabriella resembled that of some US citizens towards illegal immigrants. Later I come back, it's not there anymore. I don't understand why someone removed it. The comment wasn't offensive or anything. If anything, it is very relevant when you think about the supposed themes to the movie. M paulinus


 * What hostility? If your talking about Sharpay being mad at Gabriella like shown during 'Stick to the Status Quo', that's different. Sharpay was mad at her because she thought that herself and Ryan would be the only ones to be auditioning for the leads. She was shocked when she saw the callbacks so that is what got her mad and jealous at Gabriella. -Rosepuff12 15:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * We all know that Sharypay wasn't the nicest person in the movie. In fact, when she met Gabriella. she was somewhat patronizing. When she found out about the callbacks, she was furious. You could say that she was threatened to an extent. She even felt the need to sabotage their chances by convincing Darvis to change the times of the callbacks. The comparison I made was that Sharpay's feelings toward Gabriella resembled that of some American citizens towards Illegal Immigrants.

M paulinus 23:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * First of all, it's Darbus, not Darvis, and of course you could make this comparison. However this relation as a theme is probably quite by accident, coincidence if you will, and not the writers intention to express the American feeling towards Illegal Immigrants.
 * Do not forget this movie is seen internationally (as is this article I might add) and while the movie is an American creation, perhaps such American specific comments are best left out of the article
 * Rpgsimmaster 03:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I guess. Though, I still think the comparison should be mentioned. Though, I would like to point out the 'coincidence' that Gabriella was Hispanic. --M paulinus 00:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You mention that "Some critics" have felt this is also the case. If you can find a verefiable and respectable online source that says this and then cite it, it can be added to the article. Untill then, however, it sounds very much like original research and POV. Cheers! --omtay38 01:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Isn't Vanessa Ann Hudgens half-Filipino, though?

72.234.141.183 05:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I may be new here, but isnt that normal bulliying? This sorta stuff happens in Lizzie Mguire, That's so Raven, and such. So, I dont think it's a valid argument.

Then again, feel free to disagree. I love a good argument!

If someone could put that comparison in, then everyone should be allowed to add their own little theories and observations.

Article getting tidied
Well I've been doing some (merciless) editing to keep the article tidy, but I've been amassing comments in the source. Would anyone care to comment on them in this talk page, because anything that's commented I'm likely to remove soon. Things like the fireworks and the wristwatch really need to be confirmed as errors, the grammatical correction in the Chad Danforth section of the article and so forth need to be dealt with.

Thanks to anyone who will do this. Rpgsimmaster 03:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Zeke
In the minor characters section, is Zeke worth developing as a character (such as mentioning his crush on Sharpay) or is his character not significant enough to merit keeping?

Comments or ideas, please. Rpgsimmaster 07:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...well, we shouldn't move him into the main characters section. However, there is a bit more to say about him. I'll let more experienced users handle this one.

--Dunga - Fugemeister - Sayan 12:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC) Do the wave!

Zeeke should be mvoed into the main characters area in my opinion. This is only because he is outlined in the playbill production as a major character.

--71.227.209.156 07:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Addition to comments under Taylor McKessie and Chad Danforth
The comments under Taylor McKessie and Chad Danforth about Chad asking Taylor out needs to be developed or removed. At this stage I commented it, but I think it could be developed well.

Cleanup
The article needs a lot of cleanup. Sections are too large, unessisary, and not up to Wikipedia's standards. Please don't remove the notice until the article has drasticly been improved. -- light darkness (talk) 18:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I have cleaned up and removed unnecessary details from the plot section and will be working on the characters section next. Please comment if more cleanup is needed. Mirrorblade 11:27, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Use of Jerseys
We have decided before that the multiple jerseys is not a problem. Someone edited this previously who was a basketball player, and commented that they too had multiple jerseys. It is probably not uncommon, and therefore probably not a continuity error in the film.

Before you add it again, please discuss why here.

Rpgsimmaster 06:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

New Image
I changed the picture in the infobox because the picture that was in there was a false DVD cover. The new image is a promotional image for the movie. Jtervin 05:50, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Fandom
Fandom or fansites has no place in an encyclopedia article. They bring nothing to the article nor are helpful in any way. This is simple advertising and way to get around the provision in the External Links section.--Klaser 14:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Cast Pages
There are multiple articles on the cast. When I open an article, such as Troy Bolton, the article is only a stub with minor info about him. I say that we place redirects on all of the pages, and we just add the info we want on the main article.--Edtalk c E  17:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Some Wikipedians know little about the cast and are just creating stubs about the minor cast, However some vetrans like Vanessa Ann Hudgens or Ashley Tisdale have lots of fans who know a lot about them, which is why they have long pages. Nitweet 13:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Not those!! I meant pages like Troy Bolton and Gabriella Montez. They are just stubs, whose summaries are already placed in this article.--Edtalk c E  14:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Oops sorry about the misreading of information. As for the pages, they're being considered for deletion... Found this at the cast pages of Troy and Gabriella: deletion policy.'''

Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page.

Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the guide to deletion. Nitweet 04:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Images Added
I added a few images on the plot and characters section. I hope you like them. Adam 1412 21:26 19th January 2007
 * I really don't think that any of the image are fair use since they were taken from a website without their permission.
 * I happen to think that's a great idea. But we should include any credit to the pictures! Calebaldwinjun9 03:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

What about a new section?
Shouldn't we add a section mentioning the critical reaction and response the movie has garnered,both positive and negative?

I think that is a great Idea. Id work on it, but Im not sure

Yes, there should be a page about critical reaction becuase I know for a fact that everyone loved this 'musical'. The Quidam 05:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If you can get actual data that states that...otherwise...no. -Sukecchi 12:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * So in other words, I just have to get articles and such? That's easy. I can do that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Quidam (talk • contribs) 22:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC).
 * They have to be credible soures. Meaning no fansites. -Sukecchi 22:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Plot Headings
I added headings to the plot so that we can organize the plot better, and clean it up one at a time. Feel free to change the names at any time.--Edtalk c E  17:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Continuity Error?
Although the callback songs only have a supporting piano, "Breaking Free" had a Drum set and Latin percussion instruments like the Timbales, Conga and the Agogo bells were heard in "Bop to the top".

While the first part of this may be correct - "Breaking Free" arguably should only have a supporting piano, I disagree that "Bop to the top" having this accompaniement is an error. In the first set of auditions, Ryan states that the rehearsal pianist did an arrangement for them - it is not a stretch to believe that this would be the case in the callbacks as well. Further, the argument could be made that "Breaking Free" having additional accompaniement is not an error either, since it is clearly a song which is part of the movie as a musical overall - and thus to argue that the additional instruments is an error would be akin to arguing that about every single song in the movie (Status quo, etc.).

Thoughts? --1of42 01:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, although it started with a piano, it woulndt be much of a good movie if that was all. Troy and GAbriella belivee that there IS no piano. That is just to make the song better to us. --Dunga - Fugemeister - Sayan 13:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

In Stick to the Status Quo, it is supposed to take place during lunch, but pretty much everybody actually eat during lunch, and there is no food on the table. There are also no teachers in the cafeteria, or in the hallway during When There Was Me and You.

This one is almost the same as the above sentance, and is definitely not an error. Nitweet 08:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

guys It's a movie. and I know for a fact at MY school you can walk the halls with out seeing a teacher.

Teen Choice Awards
HSM won the "Best Comedy/Musical" category. Not much else to say but that.


 * I think someone who is familiar with the Wikipedia should add a chart for the awards like the one for The Daily Show. It would greatly improve the quality of the awards section.--74.106.70.54 16:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

"Errors
A lot of these errors seem to only be nin-picking and not really errors. As far as I can see, the only one that's an error is the thing about Troy's shoes. I propose a clean up -Sukecchi 19:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree--Tishii 22:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree too, And I will do something about itNitweet 08:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree - a lot of them are actual errors - I'm thinking of some...but some of them aren't. The Recieving instead of Receiving one may be small, but it is an error. Even though these are small, a lot of people like seeing this stuff, and seeing the error for themself. Though that's irrelevent. Dunga - Fugemeister - Sayan 13:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

There's another error that I noticed: Sharpay and Ryan are shown on the balcony railing over the cafeteria once, then shown walking toward the steps, then at the railing again, and then 1/2 way down the steps! One more: Troy's microphone continually switches from his hand to the mike stand in "Start of Something New". I've noticed a few other mistakes, but can't think of them at the moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.249.4.15 (talk) March 26, 2007 11:50pm]
 * We don't have an error section anymore. -Sukecchi 10:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Use for those missing sigs. Also, for those who want to know why we don't have a Goofs or Trivia section, it's that policy asks us to avoid trivia sections, and 'errors' are trivia. -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 19:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

High School Musical Poster
That kid who posted that poster of high school musical is fake. he got it off of the free wallpaper downloads on the website and cut it. I would take it down and replace it back to the dvd version but I'm not sure if everyone feels that way. Thanks Allenk893 12:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually no, I didn't get it off free wallpaper downloads that is the movie poster just a cut down version. I couldn't find the full length version so shutup b***h. Haha. Jtervin 00:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Language guys! I'm thinking that Allenk893 may be right. It seems kinda fakish. bobbymoo159 11:26, 11 September 2006 (EST)

That's what I'm saying. You cut off- either version anyway. The picture that was up was good before you messed it up. I'm not gonna curse at you because I'm not 13 anymore, but you need to have some respect about everyone's choices. That's all I want to say. I'm gonna let somebody else change it if they want. P.S> If you had the movie poster, why didn't you post the WHOLE thing? Allenk893 7:36, 13 September 2006 (EST)

IMDB
IMDB states that Zac Efron has a singing backup. Does this mean he can't sing?

No, he can sing, it's just that Troy's part was written for a tenor and not for a baritone. So they had to get someone else to sing the high notes that Zac Efron couldn't sing. Mirrorblade 10:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment?
There's a comment at the top of HSM's artical, it should be removed.

Theatre Verson
There is a theatre version of the show that will premiere in Atlanta - January 13 - 27, 2007. 

There will also be an Asian stage adaptation of High School Musical on February 2007 in Manila, Philippines.  DragonRoar 12:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

NPOV?
I have removed the POV tag from this article. There has been no discussion of POV issues on this talk page, and I personally don't see an NPOV problem in this article's current version. Is this about the unsourced, unencyclopedic "Criticism" section that's not in the article as of now? On the other hand, I know little about this subject, so there could be something I'm missing. Feel free to re-add the tag if you feel there are POV problems, and if you discuss them on this talk page. szyslak (t, c,  e ) 21:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Criticisms
I moved the following text from the main page, it will need some kind of citation to a verifiable source if anyone can actually provide one, the last part certainly sounds like original research to me

"Although not significant in the US, several people around the world complained of the behavior of the main male characters. Although not sexually misoriented, they presented several female behaviors, such as playing Basketball instead of Rugby or Football, or being interested in musicals instead of Rock bands. This complaints could have been avoided if more sexually secure male characters were included in the film, even if they were antagonists, like a football team that mocks the basketball team, or replacing basketball for rugby as the main sport in the film." --Amxitsa 16:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * This passage is pure original research. Since when was basketball a "female" sport? Boys who play basketball are sexually "insecure"? And why does it even matter whether what the men do is stereotypically "male" or "female"? The text should not be re-added under any circumstances. szyslak  (t, c,  e ) 08:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * What the? Needless to say, this should not be re-added under any circumstances. Rebecca 10:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Minor Errors Needing Fixed
Um, the 'gay' comments regarding Ryan need to be deleted. They're clearly a stupid prank.

Also, Martha Cox's description is in desperate need of grammatical reworking. I have no idea what the author was intending to say, so I can't fix it myself.

Ok, the gay comments about Ryan have been fixed. Wow, that was quick (like 10 minutes).

Errors
I can't find the error, so... you have to think about it! On left column, in the "other languages" box, Portuguese and Thai (Tiong Viet?) are repeated twice. Correct, please! 213.45.193.92 08:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
From the article..........

When doing takes of the 'interupted' kiss between Troy and Gabriella, Chad (Corbin Bleu) accidently on purpose missed his cue so Zac Efron and Vanessa Hudgens ended up kissing.

(citations is/are needed, if there are videos, link them, these videos must be from an official Disney Channel website, not from Google Videos or YouTube)

Please respond on my talk page.

- Emir214 13:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

POV tags
Occasionally a drive-by anon user will add dispute tags to this article without giving any more than general complaints, if even that. Could whoever disputes this article's neutrality, original research status, etc. please point to specific passages and terms they dispute? I see no more than general statements like "it favors the movie too much". Statements like that amount to little more than "I don't like this article", or possibly "I don't like the movie, and I want the article to reflect that". Please be more specific. szyslak (t, c,  e ) 02:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Release Dates
That section seems to be getting a bit large...and I got to thinking...is it really necessicary? I really don't see a need to list every single time the movie premiered in a different country...it doesn't offer anything encyclopedia-worthy...anyone else have anything to say about it? -Sukecchi 19:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I would really like some feedback on this. -Sukecchi 01:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it is important for release dates to be shown as people can compare their country's release date to those of others
 * Sure, certain release dates, not every single release date for every region. It's not important. -Sukecchi 00:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Minor Edits
I only took out a few things becuase I found them ruining the grammar of the article. For instance, in Troy Bolton's bio, someone put 'Troy Bolton (Zac Efron, who is sooooo hot)' and I didn't find that very relative to the rest of the bio.
 * The "sooooo hot" part was, as I have been saying when I remove it, fandalism: fan vandalism. So of course t wasn't relevant XD -Sukecchi 19:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I know. I don't understand why people do that. And I like that word, fandalisim. xP

Error: Basketball score
It is mentioned that the clock messes up at 7:58, and the score is 8-8, and states that the game is split into 4 8-minute quarters. But don't these things change from area to area, because in my school the game is split into two 20-minute halves, where such a score display would be somewhat appropriate.

68.150.86.20 04:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what happens at your school. This is not your school, it is a movie. To compare something like a movie to reality is pointless. Just like the "Sports and Drama" on the top of this page. -Sukecchi 13:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Goofs
I think the Goofs section should probably be removed. It is just a very short version of what is available on IMDb. If we are going to add some from the IMDb list, I suggest it be goofs regarding Factual errors or Errors in geography, not the all to common, and less interesting, Continuity errors. - Matthew238 04:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * By goofs do you mean errors? If you mean the Errors section I'm all for it, I'm getting tired of removing the same things over and over again. >_< -Sukecchi 12:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it is now titled Continuity Errors. For the IMDb page that it is mostly taken from, see Goofs for High School Musical. "Errors" is also mentioned above by someone. My point is, if we are going to copy parts from IMDb, then the ones they list as Factual errors or Errors in geography seem more interesting, if we use any at all. - Matthew238 00:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
After the pop up version is shown,should we put a trivia section for the facts that will appear in the Pop up version ?
 * I think we should do that since it has already aired twice this past year. I had recorded one viewing so I think I should put some up. Calebaldwinjun9 03:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Score
Before the Wildcats' score goes up to 68, the score is 66-67. When they score, it goes up to 68-67. So where did the extra point come from? Littleghostboo [ boo! ] 06:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Uh, I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about, but points in Basketball is either 2 or 3. No 1's on the score. One of the reasons that they had such a high score.

Reversion: East High
Who keeps reverting my contribution on the Trivia? Please give me a reason why you should delete it when it contains true information? --AOL Alex 18:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Unverified / Original notice on the Characters section
Can whoever added this specify the exact portions needing citation or take the notice down? I skimmed it, and it is not obvious to me what is being referenced as unverified or original. Saladpope 04:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * One or more anon users has been adding dispute tags here and there without explanation. I think whoever has been adding the tags either misunderstands WP:NOR and WP:V, or has their own strong views on how this article should be. This article is a magnet for one-shot drive-by editors whose only concern is how much they like or don't like the movie, and how much the article reflects how they feel. szyslak  (t, c,  e ) 10:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Pulled it down. If whoever put it up originally had a real reason, feel free to replace, but please add specific refs here or citation tags to article text.Saladpope 23:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Just regarding the section in general, it definitely needs a quality cleanup. Has anybody read it? Graphitesmoothie 20:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Trivia Section
The trivia section is Way too big. Most of the facts are from High School Musical Pop-Up Edition. Even though the facts are true about the movie, the section is still too big. Should we delete most of the facts put on there? -Rosepuff12 16:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree and will comply right now. A lot of stuff in there is poory written...and looks like it's directly from the pop-ups. We don't need to know a lot of this stuff. >_> -Sukecchi 17:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, it's all been folded in as of last week. I removed User:Dthdc4's re-addition of it. -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 15:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I readded it. Some of the trivia section could be usefull, while i agree some of it needs to be removed, we need to work it into the article not just flat out remove it all saying it's not importants. Just deleting a section that needs a clean up isnt a clean up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malevious (talk • contribs)

How about instead you take the time read the previous comments here, and put the stuff that SHOULD be in the article, actually in the article? Like I said - a lot of that information is already in the article. Simply dumping it back in makes for a messy article. I went through that hunk you re-added, and there were thirteen items not already incorporated in the article, or in the relevant (i.e. actor's page) article. I blended in three (about actors trying out for other parts). The remaining are cute, but they don't add to the informative nature of the article. Below I've listed the remaining Trivia bits. Work at adding them in context, rather than as a chunk. -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 20:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Remaining Trivia

 * The crowd who look at Troy Bolton (Zac Efron) and Gabriella Montez (Vanessa Anne Hudgens) singing never appeared anywhere as extras for the rest of the film.
 * The cell phone ring that gives the class detention has the tune of "Start of Something New".
 * The school's original mascot was going to be a Leopard, but it was changed to a Wildcat. 	 * In the beginning scene, the room where Troy and his dad played basketball was actually a room in the school where they shot most of the movie. It was actually a dance studio, but they covered the mirrors. You can see ballet bars in the back.
 * In the last scene, Chad was supposed to interrupt Troy and Gabriella's kiss, but he missed his cue so Vanessa Anne Hudgens and Zac Efron kissed accidentally.
 * Ashley Tisdale (Sharpay Evans), at one point does the same excited clapping that London Tipton (aka Brenda Song) does in the The Suite Life of Zack and Cody. Ashley plays Maddie Fitzpatrick on TSL.
 * Ashley Tisdale (Sharpay Evans), was also working on the second season of TSL while filming this movie.
 * Monique Coleman and Vanessa Anne Hudgens have recurring roles on TSL, ironically as friends of Ashley's character.
 * Zac Efron and Kaycee Stroh (Monica Cox) have also appeared on TSL while Corbin Bleu and Ashley Tisdale have appeared on Hannah Montana.
 * Hannah Montana premiered the same week as HSM. In two promotional commercials Ashley, Vanessa, and Zac appeared on the HM set with Miley Cyrus, Mitchel Musso, Emily Osment, and Jason Earles from HM. There was even a dance-off between the two sets of cast members.
 * The Song "We're All in This Together" was performed (lip-synched) by the entire cast of the 2006 New Year's Eve Sing-a-Long Bowl-a-Thon with Corbin and Ashley leading the way. The other solo parts were taken by Brenda Song and Dylan Sprouse.

One problem. HSM debuted in January, while Hannah Montana didn't arrive until late March.

Most Successful DCOM?
Some say The Cheetah Girls 2 is the most successful but others say High School Musical is. Which is it? I thought Cheetah Girls 2 topped it.72.94.46.100 00:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In terms of ratings, CG2 got higher in the US. But with album and DVD sales, especially internationally, (for example, in the UK HSM got 800,000 viewers but CG2 got about 200,000) HSM would be more successful. --Bearbear 16:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, didn't the soundtrack to the 1st Cheetah Girls go Multi Platinum, and the soundtrack to the second Cheetah Girls go Platinum? And I read the DVD of the first Cheetah Girls sold over a million copies.72.94.46.100 17:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

HSM went multi platnm and I predict HSM 2 will do just as good if not better

'''No one can really say which movie is most successful yet because the soundtrack and movie have not or just recently been released to other countries. Like, Brazil for example. The movie has just premiered recently. And France is not getting the movie until the 19th.''' --Allenk893 10:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

You guys, the Cheetah Girls are more successful, they had bigger ratings and higher album sales. And they have more fans. High School Musical is second though.

Now it's Jump In! as the highest rated DCOM (Featuring HSM alum Corbin Bleu).

WAVY 10 15:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Now I'm confused just by looking at your comments guys. I think this should be cleared up soon. Calebaldwinjun9 03:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Rewriting of Characters section
I have rewritten it, using a lot of the content from the old one, but just taking out the unnecessary stuff. If you have any problems with it, feel free to say it here. Thanks. :P Graphitesmoothie 21:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Unpopular in England
I removed the following

"Despite it's success, many teenagers in England find the film annoying, and around 75million DVDs have been found destroyed in Essex {citation need}"

Much as I wish it were true, this is blatantly false, and unless it can be sourced, the comment about teenages finding it annoying is POV. Darksun 18:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It may have gotten somewhere if it was listed as 500 DVDs or something. There wouldn't be 75 Million DVDs just lying around.

Character Mess-Up
Somebody keeps messing up the characters section saying things like Troy got Gabriella pregnant and that Sharpay has got cancer.
 * It's called vandalism. -Sukecchi 23:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Song Guide Table
For the High School Musical article I made a wiki-table of the songs in the movie and on the soundtrack. I hope you like it, I think it's an excellent addition to the article. - Adam 1412, 17:34, 1st January 2007.

High School Musical a.k.a Grease 3?
I heard a rumour that there is going to be a third "Grease" film. So I decided to search for it on this site and got redirected to this "High School Musical" article. So is this "Grease 3"? Bubble bunny

In the Netherlands/Holland, the film was called Grease 3: High School Musical. Everywhere else it has it's normal title. Adam 1412 14th January 2007.

Images Added
I added a few images on the plot and characters section. I hope you like them. Adam 1412 21:26 19th January 2007

Lukewarm reception in UK?
The article currently states: The terrestrial (aired on BBC One) reception was very lukewarm as it received 3.4 million viewers with 17% share. Is that actually considered lukewarm by British television standards? The link requires registration so I couldn't look it up, but that doesn't sound so bad by U.S. standards. After all, the movie had previously shown on cable in the UK, and the terrestrial broadcast received four times as many viewers as the UK cable premiere. --Metropolitan90 19:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It had very little promotion, and it was expected to do better I think because it quadrupled Disney UK's regular movie ratings. --Bearbear 18:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Controversy over originality
A section should be added noting the lawsuit claiming that Disney stole the idea and the central plot themes for "High School Musical" from a high school musical called.... "High School Musical." Pretty persuasive; see the news story here: http://cbs11tv.com/investigators/local_story_326123453.html Biasedbulldog 17:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It doesn't say how the Disney team found out about this other guy's version. While originality has, over the years, not been a strong suit of the Mouse House, there's not enough proof for this to go anywhere? WAVY 10 15:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Disagreed. As a massive national organization, it seems highly likely that they could have stumbled on Mr. Cozby's musical at some point.  Come on, the title and the basic plot are extremely similar.  Hard to believe they were thought up seperately when the Disney one came out not too long after Mr. Cozby's.  And again, I think there's enough suspicion to merit a section at least making mention of the issue. Biasedbulldog 19:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I put in a small note about the matter, keeping it as NPOV as possible. Keeping your own views of this out of the picture is key. -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 19:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Where did you put the note? I can't find it at all. PS: Found a list of similarities on the net, which I think it would be logical to include in some fashion while still respect NPOV --
 * -The title is identical, of course.
 * -Both basic plotlines involve a star athlete secretly trying to act in the high school's musical at the same time.
 * -Both versions have a floopy female theatre teacher and a stubborn coach who are at each others’ throats.
 * -Both involve a stuck-up, blonde diva.
 * -In both versions, the “big game” conflicts simultaneously with the musical production (though in Disney’s, it is the try-outs for the musical).
 * -In Cozby’s musical, the way the star athlete is able to make it to the show is that they turn off the football stadium lights to bide time. This is replicated in Disney’s, when the basketball arena lights are turned off so that the star athlete can make it to the audition. Biasedbulldog 00:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The facts are simple: Crozby is suing Disney. Go look under the 'Production' section of the article. I put in the bare bones: Paul Cozby, of Fort Worth, Texas, is currently suing Disney, claiming that the plot was copied from his musical, also named High School Musical''. '' It's to the point, it allows people to read the article and make their own view points, and it's factual. This isn't the place for a debate as to if Cozby is right or not. It's to record what he's doing and why. If more citable sources pick up the situation and report on it, and the section for the case becomes unmanageable, then we can readdress. -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 23:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Anyone know if this case went anywhere? WAVY 10 13:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Character Article Pages
I was thinking of maybe creating individual detailed articles on the main charatcers of High School Musical. I was only thinking and I was wondering if anyone thinks I should do it or not. I don't want to create conflict, I was just wondering. So do you think I should do it or not? Adam 1412 20:26 25th January 2007.


 * I'd say expand their sections here first. If they become un-weidly, then we split 'em off :) Sound fair? -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 15:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes that seems fine. I agree. Adam 1412 16:44 26th January 2007.
 * They had their own articles before, They were found to be unnecessary. -Sukecchi 13:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Stage Show
In the stage show of High School Musical, there is a mega-mix at the end with all of the main songs in the show. The only difference is that the leads don't sing it, but different selected cast members. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.226.184.85 (talk) 03:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

It's Fine
Hi everyone. I think the article is fine now. I love HSM and the article for it doesn't have to be big and fancy so that everyone notices it. Ben Swanson 01:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

note, the Childrens Theatre Company in Minneapolis Minnesota was actually the first professional theatre to LEGALLY produce the show with the help of Disney. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.231.118 (talk)

First movie on iTunes
Wasn't this the first movie you could get from iTunes? I could have sworn it was. Shouldn't that be added in? That's definitely worth noting. Anakinjmt 02:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've never heard this. If you wanna add it find a source saying it was. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 04:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Got it. I've never understood how adding in links in articles works, so I'll let someone else add it in, but here's the source Anakinjmt 05:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)