Talk:History of Falun Gong

Consolidating
I'm going to stub the information about the persecution here and move it over there. This was discussed above, and it seems sensible. If there's a problem with this, please advise - though I don't think it will be contentious. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 13:46, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to preempt any complaints from the Falun Gong crowd: I deleted Li's response to the official propaganda, in which he defended his practice system and practitioners. This is because what's at issue here is mainly the persecution itself - the state's actions - not about how virtuous Falun Gong practitioners are. I'm not convinced it should be structured like tit-for-tat. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 13:54, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Good work. Martin Rundkvist (talk) 21:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. — Zujine |talk 02:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you think it's a good idea to merge the contents of the history of FLG article with the persecution of FLG article?--PCPP (talk) 13:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not. The article would be too unmanageably long, and they are obviously separate topics. — Zujine |talk 13:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Status
It appears that the purpose and status of this page is unresolved. The content found here exists, almost in full, on the Falun Gong and Persecution of Falun Gong pages. Moreover, this page offers little in the way of a real history of Falun Gong. I propose that whatever unique information is contained within it be folded into these other pages, and we can then delete this one. Thoughts? Homunculus (duihua) 00:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems reasonable to me. It's been a long while since anyone has taken the trouble to do anything about it, so my view is, let those who want to, do. Your suggestion seems sensible. --Asdfg12345 15:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Why not try this: rather than delete the page, turn it into a timeline? That would seem, to me, to make the most sense. I agree that the page in its current form does not add much to the encyclopedia, but a deletion? Why? Just turn it into a chronological history, with a few hundred words explaining the key elements that took place at each stage of this unfolding story. In fact, that's something I'm interested in helping with. — Zujine |talk 05:03, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting idea. Is there a precedent for this? I'm not saying there needs to be, but it would be nice to see an example of what you have in mind.  I don't object—it would be interesting to ::::see a timeline that spans the entire history.  Homunculus (duihua) 22:16, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Plenty of precedents. Check out Timeline of Christianity. I would advise blanking this page save the pictures, shipping the relevant information off to Persecution of Falun Gong (cutting it down in the process), and renaming this one to Timeline of Falun Gong. The question is who is going to write the timeline? It would be a lot of work indeed just to track down the sources for each period. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 03:13, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm agreeable to this. I had proposed a similar idea some time ago. I will compile the timeline and put it on the page, leaving the pictures and porting out the other information, and changing the article name. That is, if I'm not banned before I can finish. But if I am banned, I'll just email the stuff to one of you through the Wikipedia email function. You can put it on the page directly if you think it's a good idea. --Asdfg12345 17:16, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Great. Please go ahead. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 23:30, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Given the outcome of the arbitration case concerning Asdfg and PCPP, I feel compelled to reiterate (and this time act on) my previous offer of help in this endeavor. I will aim to have something preliminary ready in a few days, though it may take up to a week or more.— Zujine |talk 23:57, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a note, I still plan to work on this, but it is taking longer than expected. — Zujine |talk 02:04, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Timeline
It has been a long time in coming, but I am about finished with a new draft of this page, which reorganises it into a timeline of notable events pertaining to the history of Falungong from before 1992 to the present. I will update the article momentarily. As a reminder, this is being done based on a shared opinion that the page in its previous form did not contribute anything new that is not already found on Falun Gong or Persecution of Falun Gong. Moreover, far from encompassing a comprehensive history, it dealt overwhelmingly with the period of 1999 - 2001. The new timeline is still far from comprehensive, but I should hope it is a significant improvement, and I welcome others to add to it. — Zujine |talk 04:01, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent job. Now it needs some enthusiastic soul to add pictures and whatever other graphical elements to brighten it up. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 01:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I just took a quick look, and have a few suggestions:
 * You frequently cited the Falun Dafa Information Center as a source. I reviewed the timeline page you referenced, and the dates and events it describes certainly ring true. In fact, I'm quite sure that I've seen all these events written up in recognized scholarly works. My opinion of the Information Center is that it seems reasonably professional and circumspect with the allegations it makes, and its articles in general seem to comport with what's found elsewhere (Arthur Waldron's endorsement also help).  Nonetheless, I recommend replacing these references with good, peer-reviewed sources when possible, just to mitigate potential controversy.


 * I quite like the format you adopted of breaking out major time periods and providing a quick primer on each. But could you explain how and why you decided on the time periods that you did? Also, I respect that the literature covering Falun Gong post-2005 is very, very thin, but to your knowledge are there any sources that describe the major events of this time period in detail? Ownby gets into it some, but he stays out of the goings-on in China, and by his own admission had stopped doing field work by that time...


 * Naturally, a good deal of information is missing from this page. I'll take some time thinking of what else might be valuable to add, but one thing that comes to mind is to elaborate on the involvement of Weiquan lawyers in litigating Falun Gong cases. It's been noted in a number of human rights reports in recent years, and the Weiquan page itself provides a good starting place for some of those details. I'm not implying that you need to do this, of course.  I can work on it as well.


 * The pre-1992 section could use some broad-strokes information on the evolution of the qigong movement up to that point.


 * It may never be necessary, but at some point we should be prepared to discuss the criteria by which something should be deemed notable enough to include on this page.

Oh, and well done. It's pretty cool to see the history laid out in this manner. Homunculus (duihua) 03:35, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * All very good suggestions. I agree. As to establishing a set of criteria to discern notability, let's cross that bridge when we come to it.— Zujine |talk 23:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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