Talk:History of Greeks in Baltimore

Greek mob in Baltimore
I have heard that the Greek mafia has or had a presence in Baltimore, but I could not find any sources to add this information to the article. If anybody could find a source and add some info, that would be great. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thus far, the only source I can find is a single sentence in a 1989 article on Philly.com which mentions in passing that there was a Greek mafia in Baltimore at the time. I can't find any more information. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 08:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 4 June 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved  Mdaniels5757 (talk) 00:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

History of the Greeks in Baltimore → History of Greeks in Baltimore – By WP:DEFINITE and WP:CONCISE, the use of "the" should be dropped from this title because it simply is not necessary to convey the topic of the article. Additionally, the use of the definite article in this case is clunky and should not be in use per WP:NATURALNESS. For now, we can disregard the "political correctness" argument that using the definite article to refer to ethnic groups in certain cases is "othering" and a social wrong. While I personally think this argument is compelling, the true test of whether referring to "Greeks" with "the" is acceptable can simply be conducted by looking at the wider media: In 2019, news articles mentioning "the Greeks" were a very small fraction (20.0%) of articles mentioning "Greeks". Many of the articles notably use "the Greeks" to refer to the ancient Greeks, and not the modern-day ethnic group. By WP:COMMONNAME, the title of the article should be changed to reflect this usage by the media. Mysterymanblue (talk) 23:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support 100% (and Support other similar moves) per WP:DEFINITE, WP:CONCISE, and especially WP:NATURALNESS and WP:CONSISTENT. You wouldn't say "I learned about the history of the Americans", you say "history of Americans" – and this isn't any different! (You're right, it sounds almost pejorative and othering with a "the", or like you're talking about the Ancient Greeks.) Paintspot Infez (talk) 01:51, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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