Talk:History of rapid transit

South Hemisphere
I don't think that Japan should be placed under the South Hemisphere section. It is neither both in geographic nor the economical kind of meaning.

-Bukhrin 03:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

"Rapid transit" locomotives
We should probably mention briefly that the term was originally used in the U.S. for a certain kind of small-locomotive operation both on the Els and on streets. (warning: many images; made my browser crawl) shows the Long Island Rail Road's "rapid transit" system on Atlantic Avenue from 1877 to ca. 1910; I think the Els originally used similar locomotives. --NE2 23:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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India
Why is it that the section Asia lasck info about everything outside japan? One of the world's oldest systems, [Mumbai, and Chennai] is not mentioned? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Because you did not write about it yet :) This article was created by "dumping" the history section of the main rapid transit article into a new article. It is lacks structure, has never been copyedited, is completely unreferenced, and as you point out, has a geographic bias. As a history article, it should not be divided into sections by continent, but rather by time period, and perhaps by technology. If you know something about the topic, please improve Wikipedia by add information about Indian rapid transit. Arsenikk (talk)  14:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Japan DOES NOT have Asia's oldest sytem, Mumbai does, so I'm editing the article later tonight. IST --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Were the ones in Mumbai rapid transit or commuter rail? --NE2 22:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Mumbai is commuter, Chennai was also commuter, later expanded to Rapid Transit. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Turkish Tünel was not a rapid transit system
Both this page and the page on the Istanbul "Tünel" make the claim that they are the second oldest subway system in the world (after the London Underground). Can anyone verify which one is correct and make the necessary edit? -- Hux 17:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Technically the Istanbul Tünel is older (1875 vs. 1896), but the Istanbul Tünel isn't a subway in a classical sense. It is a short track with only two station, and only meant to connect two neighborhoods with each other. Maartenvdbent 17:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Tünel is a train, it's underground, it has stations, and people use it to get from one place to another. How is that not a subway? phrawzty (talk) 14:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The Tünel is more a large-car elevator. It is not a tunnel more of an inclined shaft. It is cable hauled like an elevator. It is not rapid-transit or a network. 188.222.102.255 (talk) 09:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

In the Netherlands we have train stations that are completely underground as well (Schiphol railway station is a good example), but nobody would classify that as a subway. Maarten (talk) 15:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, my respect for you all, but Tünel seems not to fall under the definition of a metro system, in agreement with both the history of rapid transit (25km/h, horses, etc.) and the current state of Tünel. See the definition's first sentence below (by the way, adhering to this stricter definition, Hungary has been beaten by only 6 years! ;->). bkil (talk) 22:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "A rapid transit, underground, subway, elevated railway or metro(politan) system is an electric passenger railway in an urban area with high capacity and frequency, and grade separation from other traffic."
 * This definition is wrong. The motive power is irrelevant. 188.222.102.255 (talk) 09:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Hungarian metro was built as electric system with 12 stations. Turkish Tünel was an omnibus in a short tunnel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.2.120.223 (talk) 18:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Athens
The Europe section had, as its first entry, "The first non-underground urban rail line was the first line of Athens metro system". I can't see this is justified, if the definition of a rapid-transit system is an underground...electric passenger railway in an urban area". ISAP was an above-ground suburban line (like the Liverpool-Manchester Railway, 30-odd years previously) with an underground section in the city (also like the L&MR). It wasn't electrified until 1904, and didn't become part of the Metro 'til 2011. So I've re-written it. Moonraker12 (talk) 14:41, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

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Manila LRT
I decided to add The Manila LRT system in The South East Asia section as it opened three years before Singapore's MRT.

Themanilaxperience (talk) 14:54, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Possibly expand on Boston and the MBTA
The caption to one of images states Boston had its first electric subway car in 1897, making it the first subway in North America and one of the first in the world, but there's no mention of Boston in the North America section.