Talk:Houston/Archive 6

Removed
I removed this from the article...

The Art Institute of Houston or AIH offers a multitude of both associate and bachelor degrees in Design, Media Arts, Culuntary Arts and Fashion. The art school is incorporated by the Art Institutes International.

AIH is on the school listing along with the many other schools not found in the main article. Postoak 20:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

That main picture has got to go!
I apologize to whatever user took their time to put it up, but the main picture in the article makes downtown look small and empty. What are the requirements for a picture to be put up in the infobox? Because I'm sure we can find something better than that, people.

An aerial picture of downtown at night (if found) would be ideal. Something of that nature.--68.201.118.165 22:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is bad at all, but if you can find better/additional photos, we would love to have them.
 * Please read Image use policy for the rules on what you should upload. Essentially, a general purpose shot of a major city (I.e. not depicting some historical event or the like) needs to be a completely free picture with no restrictions on its use.
 * If you have such pictures, please don't put them on here on the English version of Wikipeida. Instead, please upload them at the Commons and place them in the article for Houston here.  Then they can be linked from this article. This way, they are usable by all the different-language versions of Wikipedia.  Best, Johntex\talk 22:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Does it have to be from a stock photo site?--68.201.118.165 23:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it does not. In fact, most stock photo sites do not freely release their photos.  We can't just steal their work because we want to.  In some cases we can use copyrighted work under fair use law, but we try not to unless there are special cirumstances.  If you read Image use policy you will see that the images you upload should generally be licensed creative commons or GFDL or public domain.
 * You will also need to set up an account, but that is free and easy and does not require you to divulge any personal info about yourself.
 * Some suggested sources for free images are at Public domain image resources. You might want to also click on a few of the images to learn where they came from.   Johntex\talk 23:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have an account, but I just now realized I forgot to sign in. I'm not really good with all the technicalities of uploading a picture, so I may just need a walk thru once I've found the picture.--68.201.118.165 23:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, someone here will help you or you can go to WP:HELP. That page has all the instructions for this sort of thing and there is also a Help Desk there if anything is confusing. Johntex\talk 00:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks.--68.201.118.165 00:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I like this picture, it isn't that bad. I used it on the portal. There are some good skyline pics at Flickr, but watch the licensing or the upload will get deleted very quickly. Postoak 03:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally, I prefer the old picture better. --Evb-wiki 14:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I will make sure I use the licensing properly. If I can figure it out first. As far as the current picture goes, I mean it's nice, but it just looks a little bland.--68.201.118.165 15:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Transportation edits reverted
I reverted the recent edits to the Transportation section because they caused the existing text to disappear and were unsourced. Postoak 14:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Team table
I moved this from the main article because I'm not sure if it is needed. The table is loo large for the section. The teams and the stadia are already mentioned in the article. Also, we had a table similar to this at one time and the logos were removed because of fair use issues. Feedback, please. Postoak 21:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * This table content is included in the Sports in Houston article. BuffaloChip97 00:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * fair enough, I saw cities like phoenix who had it, and I thought it was nice, sometimes reading with all the links and stuff is just to much when you are taking a quick look. I like to just browse and sometimes a lot of text makes it hard. Whatever is best for the page though (you do a good job with it), thanks for putting it to talk, rather than just deleting it though.-->Dgreco

The New Picture
The new infobox picture is great! A-OK. I still wish I could find the perfect night picture, but until then, this one is perfect. The whole article needs some more photos, though.--Mphifer254 00:01, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Nickname Issue
In addition to Space City, I suggest we add Houston's other nickname The Bayou City. --hbk3692003 15:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see the extensive discussions concerning this issue in the archives. The concensus is that only the "official" nickname belongs in the info box. --Evb-wiki 15:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Houston has many nicknames, not just one. A few of the most widely used should be listed on the main page in the box. Other major cities with more than one nickname have done this. NO ONE (few if any) call Houston "Space City." Most refer to Houston as "H-town" or "Bayou City" even. I remember this because I was born and raised in Houston and remember waking up to the 6am news and always hearing the weathercasters/newscasters call Houston the "Bayou City," especially for incelement weather. The names "H-town" and "Bayou City" get many more unambiguous hits than "Space City," although I do believe "Space City" should be listed as well. --Thenderson1 13:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There is much more to Houston that is important to the city and an encyclopedia article that is not mentioned in this article. Simply adding lists of nicknames for the cities to the information box may not be the best way to address this issue.  There is a stub on Bayou City as a nickname for Houston, please expand this stub from references as necessary, then it can be added to the see also section of this article.  Please note that your experience as to who calls Houston what, and your memories from being born and raised in Houston will not be acceptable resources for including or excluding information from the article.  It could be an interesting brief article, though.  KP Botany 19:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We agreed to place the official city nickname ito the infobox. Please see talk history where we reached consensus on this topic. Also, we created Nicknames of Houston, Texas to address many of the nickname variants. Houston is probably the only city article that has a nickname article! Postoak 19:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What is a consensus on here? 2, 3, 10 people? That's not the point. The issue is continuity. Other major cities have more than one nickname listed, plain and simple. KP, my experience is not just my experience, but others' experience as well. The news doesn't just come on in my house. I think there needs to be another vote that includes people who have (probably) lived here longer than you. Look at New York City, Chicago, Philadelphia, San Antonio or Dallas. Oh and I can think of lots of interesting articles for you KP Bot. SLAM!--168.122.206.106 02:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I recall that the consensus, i.e., everybody, agreed that, until we can answer the question "Where do we draw the line? . . . Clutch City, Screwston, Syrup City, etc.," the "official nickname," Space City, should remain exclusively in the info box. As I see it, the question has not been answered. --Evb-wiki 03:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose your overlooked Los Angeles, Phoenix, Arizona, San Diego, San Jose, California, Jacksonville, etc....Postoak 02:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC):
 * Nope, not overlooked. Houston is much more comparable in size/importance to the larger 3. There are also many other cities similar in size/importance to the ones you have listed that have more than one nickname. It is obvious there are more cities with more than one nickname (in the top 10, at the very least) listed than not.--168.122.206.106 03:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Increased size/importance of a city does not mean increased number of nicknames in the city infobox. Each city handles it differently. We decided to put the official nickname in the infobox and place some of the popular nicknames in the body of the article (Culture section). We then created the Nicknames of Houston subarticle that links from the main article. Most, if not all all of the city's nicknames are well represented. Postoak 03:29, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally don't care what ANYONE else has done with their city article. Unless an articulate "bright-line" rule can be established, the question of "what is practical?" dictates that "IF a city has an official nickname, use it freely. All others need to be explained and/or justified." There is simply not enough room in the info box to do that. --Evb-wiki 04:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally don't care what you think. A line won't kill the infobox and size DOES matter. (Welcome to Tejas.) Suck on that my pretties.--168.122.206.106 13:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Consensus was already met among the editors who frequently maintain the article. Learn to adjust. Postoak 17:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This issue has gotten boring, because honestly "the editors who frequently maitain the article" don't know much of anything about the articles they are maintaining. There are no assigned positions for you editors, your name is not anywhere on this article and trust me, I can adjust. I can adjust a few things right up...--168.122.206.106 21:04, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The editors that frequently maintain the article got it to featured status. What contributions have you made? None. Adios. Postoak 21:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Like every topic, nicknames should be notable and verifiable. If a writer uses a nickname once in a newspaper column it's verifiable but not noteworthy. If large numbers of people use a nickname but never in print or on tape then it may be notable but not verifiable. There's now a nice small set of nicknames in the body of the article. If it grows larger it may be hard to verify. Be careful it doesn't become like "Common Spokane nicknames". Infoboxes should be terse and consistent with the boxes on similar articles. -Will Beback · † · 22:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I don't particularly like info boxes. They should never attempt to carry the article. I've not before seen it put as concisely. Well said. --Evb-wiki 03:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is why we limited the offical nickname to the infobox. The most popular nicknames were left in the Culture section of the article. Nicknames of Houston was created for all nicknames. Postoak 22:29, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Other cities don't seem to have a problem with verifying multiple nicknames. Many of the nicknames are documented and recorded. They aren't just nonsense ones buddy. Oh and Mr. Oak, just because you contribute so much doesn't mean any of the stuff you put in is any good. It just means you put a lot of crap and are on your computer way too often. If anything, I can definitely contribute a finger, that's for sure. Also no one can put anything because you think some people think they are the king of all, when not many people can see how that person who is high and mighty has so much credibility.--168.122.206.106 23:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * A finger? Wow . . . yeah, still not worth it. --Evb-wiki 03:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Whatever you say, anon. Learn to be civil. Best wishes and happy editing. Postoak 00:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This has turned into a flame war! I like the Nicknames of Houston article.  Hadn't seen that before.  Please take the time to review the archived discussion.  Peace.  Deatonjr 01:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * My finger is still worth it and I'm not afraid of fire. At least I know what I'm talking about. Please take time to review life in Houston, away from your computer. Have a great wikiday. :) --168.122.206.106 01:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)