Talk:Hove/Archive 1

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A bit of a clean-up done just now; I've not introduced section headings, but I suggest they would be a good idea if further content is added. I've removed the references to fashionable beachwear (I really don't understand or agree with the idea that you can be more risque on Hove's beaches than on Brighton's!) and also the references to Liberalism and Conservatism which weren't backed up by any evidence from electoral returns. I've added a bit about the impressive housing developments, including the important change in dating of Adelaide Crescent which most certainly isn't Victorian! Kierant 00:50, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. Wondered if it would be worth mentioning the goldstone? [the lump of rock opposite DFS,not the footy ground he he] what do people think? I really dont know that much about it to comment.Ukbn2 12:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Also - kierant - maybe a mention of the sackville hotel collapse?Ukbn2 12:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * These sound like very good additions; I presume the Goldstone is something very old? Sadly most of the ancient history included so far for Brighton & Hove seems to be about Brighton-based things. But personally I know nothing about the stone - nor the hotel collapse - so I can't help with these. Will have a dig around in my reference book shelf though ;) – Kieran T  ( talk  12:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the engineerium deserves a mention as well? Recentley saved from closure buy a private buyer, i dont know nuch about the place though living not far from there once, its quite famous for its steam driven engines i think. You are right about the Brighton Influences. Yeah, the sackville hotel - think of the big green hotel opposite the lagoon on the seafront - its recentley imploded.

The goldstone is at the edge of hove park on the old shoreham road side. Must have some significance i am sure, i will read the plaque on the front of it this weekend.http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/index.cfm?request=c1001368Ukbn2 13:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Engineerium has since been added to Landmarks_and_notable_buildings_of_Brighton_and_Hove – Kieran T  ( talk  14:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Persistent opinions
There is a chunk of opinion about bikinis and a café which has just been added, anonymously, for at least the second time. I've removed it (again) because it really isn't verifiable fact and might even be an advert for the café. I've also returned the citation required tag which had been removed by an anonymous user (without a citation being added) for the comment about Hove's political shade/demographic, and added another such tag to the comment about where language students live. This too was re-added by an anonymous user today. I don't think it's in any way verifiable or even measurable. I'd like to delete it, but felt it was reasonable to request a citation first. – Kieran T  ( talk  17:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Twin towns
How come no twin towns are listed? Hove has at least one (Draveil, I think, but there must be more). Anyone have any idea how to get such a list? (I can't find anything on the B&H council site). A bit iffy 13:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC) I think Draveil is the only one. Not sure what happens to this and other twin town arrangements now the unit is the city of B&H. Graemedavis (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed from category "Orthodox Jewish communities in England"
I removed the article from Category:Orthodox Jewish communities in England because I don't believe the town has a sufficiently high percentage of Orthododx Jews for it to be defined as an Orthodox Jewish community. Quite possibly Hove has a higher proportion of Orthodox Jews compared with other towns (I've no idea, actually), but one can't go defining places as a "community of xxxxx" if only a small proportion of their residents come under that category. Otherwise you'd get articles categorised as "community of Conservative Party voters", "community of vegetarians" and so on.--A bit iffy 08:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Very hard to quantify, and I suspect figures aren't available. There are three synagogues in Hove (Progressive, Reform, Orthodox), which reflect a long-established Jewish community in Hove. I think we do need a mention of a significant Jewish population within Hove as this group are a significant part of the culture and heritage of Hove (though I don't think the community is specifically Orthodox). Graemedavis (talk) 19:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Tesco Hove
I know there is a lively lobby against Tesco nationwide. But this article should surely concern itself with Tesco Hove, not this wider argument. I know there was a campaign against giving Tesco the right to build a supermarket on the gasometer site, though if the article is going to mention this it also has to mention that there was a stronger case in favour of Tesco, at least stronger in the view of the planning committee on the council (and surely this has to count as the objective, verifiable view for Wikipedia purposes). Perhaps the easiest solution would be to delete the sentence setting out the objections (are they now relevant to anything?). Since Tesco has opened, Hove shops have gone from strength to strength. There is even a new supermarket (Somerfield Church Rd) a stone's throw from Tesco, while the Co-Op, Iceland, Cottinghams have all done fine despite competition from Tesco. George Street seems to have flourished (presumaby the impact of a free car park on the doorstep at Tesco). I know there are issues about big supermarkets taking trade from small shops, and presumably if people are shopping in Tesco they are not shopping somewhere else, but as far as Hove's shopping centre is concerned it is hard to see Tesco as anything other than a big boost for trade. Graemedavis (talk) 19:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed - this isn't the place. I have a dim memory of removing the original (even more starkly worded) mention of Tesco, only to have it reinstated by the original author who was adamant it should be there. But much time has passed, and I think if nothing else, Hove has more significant development issues (on the seafront...) which should be the ones mentioned here, if any are, than a now-established supermarket. – Kieran T  (' talk ') 02:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

the palmeira pub
Myself & my company have recently started the refurbishment on the palmeira pub & hope to open in September.

It would be interesting to know how the residents/drinkers in Hove view the pubs in the area in general & what would be something "different" they would be looking for.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Kind Regards

Sonia Dark —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.132.185 (talk) 00:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Anglo French Supreme War Council
The Anglo French Supreme War Council, sometimes known as the Supreme War Council (SWC), was established to oversee joint military strategy at the start of the Second World War. Its second meeting took place at Hove on 22 September 1939. Was this top level meeting reported locally at the time? Does anyone know where it was held in Hove? If the building still stands, it would be appreciated if a picture could be uploaded to WikiCommons. Comments appreciated.Mikeo1938 (talk) 06:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've since found out that the meeting was held at the town hall, which, I understand, has since been destroyed by fire. A description of the meeting appears in the diary of Sir Alexander Cadogan, part of which is given as a footnote to the article about the Anglo French Supreme War Council.Mikeo1938 (talk) 17:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Hove Town Hall' may well be the building in Brunswick Street West where BIMM now is...10 years to answer the question, but hey, history is there still Jnicho02 (talk) 14:25, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Education
The note about primary schools is confusing. Are there six primary schools or "about six primary schools"? Surely it is possible to give the exact number. Also, the list which follows the colon includes seven schools. Are these combined primary - junior? Mikeo1938 (talk) 16:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually
Where did the phrase "Hove, actually" (which Hove residents allegedly say when asked if they live in Brighton) originate? 194.75.236.138 (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

You just answered it yourself. Mrs. A: Oh, you live in Brighton! Mr. B: Hove, actually. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.203.214 (talk) 15:22, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a reminder to myself to add this (ref is Middleton (2002) v7 p90 and v13 p168): coined by members of the Star of Brunswick pub in Brunswick Street West in July 1987, first recorded in print shortly afterwards, and used as part of an award-winning tourist campaign by the (then) Borough of Hove in 1991. Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:02, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Palmer and Harvey
"Companies based in Hove include Palmer and Harvey..." - why does this company in particular deserve a mention? Are they the biggest company in Hove, or do they just happen to employ the guy who wrote that sentence? 62.189.218.38 (talk) 13:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

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One page
Hi everyone,I been thinking would it be best if we had one Wikipedia page of Brighton & Hove seeing as we are one city rather than have 3 separate ones and have all information on one singal one. Glman83 (talk) 09:33, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 * There are more than three; as well as this page, the city's page and Brighton, there is Category:Areas of Brighton and Hove with 40 pages, many of which are about places less significant than Hove. Peter James (talk) 18:51, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Use of town?
Can one call Hove a town when it literally forms a big part of Brighton and Hove which is a city with the two settlements? Before Stoke is bought up, that was through a federation of six towns and has one main centre. Brighton and Hove have equal centres but both form one large coastal city. So how can one call it a town (Hove) when it is literally nothing more then an area of the city as is Brighton? Please explain the logics of how it can still be a town with no town council? DragonofBatley (talk) 08:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression I had altered the wording to something like "Hove is a constituent part of the City of Brighton and Hove", which is a form of wording I have used on several other B&H-related articles. I agree that it cannot really be called a town in its present form.  Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!)  09:48, 11 March 2022 (UTC)