Talk:Howard Moscoe

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CJCurrie
Stop push POV. --Bonito e Gostoso 22:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The controversy is actually over, but thank you for your intervention. I'm sure the timing was purely coincidental.  CJCurrie 22:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Edit Warring

 * Oy vey, we're back. Okay folks (and by folks I mean GoldDragon and CJCurrie), here's a sure-fire way of knowing that you've gone from editing to edit-warring. When you start using the edit summary feature to make snide remarks to each other it means its time for a nice break. Clearly there are contentious issues here (again), so rather than fighting, why don't we propose the changes here on the talk page, and then add them when we have some agreement. Remember, stay cool. --Chabuk [ T • C ] 06:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Seriously guys, if this doesn't stop, I'm going to request page protection and set up an RfC. Decide on a version here not in non-stop reverts of the article! -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 18:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Summary
There are two points of contention here.

(i) The first concerns whether or not we should reference John Barber's description of Rick Ducharme's resignation as a "juvenile temper tantrum". GoldDragon has said that GroundZero removed this several months ago as part of a compromise. I can't remember this, but will review the record. The Edmonton Journal has in any event repeated the line recently, which presumably means that its sufficiently "public" to include here.


 * Violates the deal brokered by admin GroundZero. See the part where he imposes his own edit. CJCurrie already got most of what he wanted in that compromise version. GoldDragon 18:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * GoldDragon is mistaken. Here is GZ's compromise.  The "temper tantrum" quote isn't part of it.  CJCurrie 00:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Further research reveals that I moved the "temper tantrum" quote from the main text to the footnotes, during the summer. CJCurrie 00:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

(ii) The second is about fundraising. GoldDragon has said that he wants to include Bombardier's donations to Moscoe in return for the Barber reference. I have no problem with the Bombardier inclusion, but we're only telling half the story if we don't reference the fact that Siemens has also donated to Moscoe. I'm also a bit troubled by this sort of open bargaining.


 * Well, it would have been better off if CJCurrie did not violate the deal brokered by admin GroundZero. But if CJCurrie is unwilling to abide, and refuse to consult before making such a change, then that sets a precedent. GoldDragon 18:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * See above. CJCurrie 00:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It's a pretty minor matter, to be sure, but GD's position on the second point is misleading and potentially defamatory. CJCurrie 18:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, Ducharme did not literally throw a temper tantrum. Moscoe simply called his criticism unacceptable, mainly because it was public. The use of tantrum is sensationalized, misleading, and defamatory.GoldDragon 18:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You'll notice that I've removed the "temper tantrum" reference from the main body of the text. CJCurrie 00:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Juvenile is still sort of defamatory, but for the time being, I won't revert. GoldDragon 03:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Speaking of the Isreal trip, "organized by Bombardier but funding by the Isreali gov't"...I would rather have the Isreali gov't as part of Moscoe's rebuttal instead, so both Moscoe and his critics get to build up their cases for arguement. GoldDragon 19:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * And you decided to revert all of your changes for this reason? If you're going to suggest a change, please don't confuse the issue by returning your misleading information on donations.  CJCurrie 01:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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Art teacher in Etobicoke
Howard Moscoe was my grade 7 or 8 art teacher in Etobicoke (at Sunnylea Public School) around 1968 or so. But the fact that he was a teacher in Etobicoke as well as (before?) teaching art in North York is probably not significant enough to mention. Ifdef (talk) 14:50, 7 September 2020 (UTC)