Talk:Humac tablet

What is the problem with all this silly {fact}s Nexm0d, you are not arguing that the language is "Serbian" are you? :) It's a Franciscan monastery inside the prevalently Croat-populated Hercegovina, Croatian Church Slavonic language, and the names listed are all Old Croatian AFAIK.. And the Croatian angular Glagolitic letters should disperse any remaining doubts left ^_^ I'll look to find more detailed analysis in the library tomorrow, there is not much reliable data to be found on the Internet.. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 07:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Bosniak (aka Bosnian) language exists solely as a standard language of Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims). It's pointless to speak of Bosniak language in the 11th century when in that time Bosniaks didn't even exist as nation, let alone did the Bosniak language. Ripping this article out it exclusive Croatian cultural-historical context: Catholic monastery, Old Croatian names (they are not Ibrahim or Dušan are they?), Croatian Glagolitic letters, prevalently Croat-populated Hercegovina - is anti-Croat PoV. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 03:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

You are an unbelievable man. Do you not realize that it is extremely obvious for any observer to notice that you are radically nationalistic. You unscrupulously and completly discard the Bosniaks as a nation and still expect people to experience you as neutral. Please leave your quest for Greater-Croatia on the shelf ahead. Ancient Land of Bosoni (talk) 14:33, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * ??? I don't deny Bosniaks as nation, but the thing is that concepts of a nation itself is based on sharing certain cultural traits (history, language, religion etc.), and the classification of pre-Ottoman Slavic cultural monuments as Bosniak—the term prevalently designating Muslim Slavs of Bosnia today—is highly controversial and debatable at best. Your reasoning with Humac Tablet is fallacious in much the same way as you correlate Tvrtko with Bosniaks, as has been demonstrated on your talk page. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 22:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

So you mean that Tvrtko and the other Bosnjani which lived in Bosnia during the middleages are not the ancestors of today's Bosniaks and Bosnians in general? Could it be then in your oppinion that the Bosniaks moved into Bosnia as aliens from somewhere outerspace and thus have no connection to pre-Turkish Bosnia whatsoever? Give me a break Ancient Land of Bosoni (talk) 19:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Bošnjani is just a general (multi-ethnic) regional appellative, not a name of some ethno-cultural group. Modern-day Bosniaks are descendants of Bošnjani inasmuch as they are descendants of Indo-Europeans. It would be non-sequitur to claim that Bosnian Muslim that call themselves Bosniaks today are somehow more "Bošnjani" than Croats or Serbs of Bosnia are, or that the cultural heritage of the pre-Ottoman Bosnia is somehow related to the Bosniaks just becaouse the term Bosniak seems to be etymologically related to the term Bosnia. Perhaps all Germanic people are Germans too? ^_^ --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 03:27, 10 December 2008 (UTC)