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Clarify, please
These two sentences in the lede appear to be either duplicating or contradicting:


 * 'About 300,000 children are believed to be currently at risk from sexual exploitation. According to the Department of State's statistics from 2000, there are approximately 244,000 American children and youth that are at risk for sex trafficking each year.' Valetude (talk) 19:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, one says "trafficking", the other says "sexual exploitation." Both are supposed to be summarizing facts in the article. Neither is actually IN the article. I arbitrarily deleted the larger figure. It would be nice to have something cited in the article supporting one or the other figure, or both. Student7 (talk) 18:18, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * As far as wild, round-numbered guesses go, "about 300,000" is virtually equal to "approximately 244,000" (or "roughly 275,000"). It doesn't work like real math. Just in the same ballpark. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The original source of the 300,000 claim is an Estes and Weiner study from 2001. Note that it's 'at risk of sexual exploitation', not actually being sexually exploited, and sexual exploitation is much broader than sex trafficking.  Estes has later claimed in an interview that “Kids who are kidnapped and sold into slavery—that number would be very small…We’re talking about a few hundred people.”  The methodology of that study has also been questioned by other experts in the field, so even that estimate is unlikely to be reliable.  See: https://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/village-voice-strikes-again/ for a decent summary of issues --2600:1702:1CA0:9680:34AE:8000:3D82:637 (talk) 07:12, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

History
The current first section of the main article, headed 'History', appears to make no sense whatever. Do you think it's vandalism? Valetude (talk) 09:07, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Texas
It appears that the lengthy section in this article under the heading, Policies of Texas, is duplicated in the separate article Human trafficking in Texas and should reasonably be deleted from this article. Also there is no parallel information from other states here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwdavids (talk • contribs) 20:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Official definition of trafficking
'...abuse of power of a position of vulnerability for the purpose of exploitation.'
 * Not clear, possibly an error. Are you sure it shouldn't read 'abuse of power over vulnerable persons...' ? Valetude (talk) 11:59, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

17,500 trafficked into US figure: source?
Googling around for this number seems to lead to the 2006 Trafficking in Persons report (which is by the State Department, not the DOJ), in which I cannot find the 17,500 figure stated here. Does anyone know where this figure came from, or can they extract a more recent one from the 2014 report? Samineru (talk) 00:30, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

-Years too late, but the 17500 figure is the upper end of the CIA's second estimate in ~2004 (14500-17500). The first ~1999 estimate was 50,000. Both are based on terrible methodology that primarily relies on foreign newspaper clippings about trafficking incidents in other countries, and tries to estimate flows to teh US from that. No one serious believes these are reliable methods. (See: Markon, Jerry. 9/23/2007. Human Trafficking Evokes Outrage, Little Evidence. Washington Post. Online: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/22/AR2007092201401_pf.html Provides descriptions of where the estimates came from and evidence they're bad estimates)  But these sorts of zombie statistics persist indefinitely, because no one cares about the actual evidence for the claims. --2600:1702:1CA0:9680:34AE:8000:3D82:637 (talk) 07:07, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Article seems a mess
By covering too many topics, the article has become a bit of a mess. It starts out covering the article topic, Human Trafficking in the US. It then starts discussing federal and local laws. Well, okay. The reader needs to know someplace that the practice is illegal. Maybe not in this detail.

Then, it starts discussing organizations which crop up everywhere. Does every organization with a stated purpose need to be identified here? We've tried. We don't know whether they are effective or not. We don't really know why they are here at all. My suggestion is to move them to a separate article and link to them under a "see also." Organizations need to be subject to some kind of scrutiny. How financially efficient are they. Does 90% OF their income go to fundraising? Merely listing organizations willy-nilly seems WP:BOOSTER/WP:PEACOCK here.

Structural factors are presented. Are these all unique to the US? I don't think so. I would think that others should be moved to a higher level article, Human Trafficking, if not there already.

Take a look at the toc. That is the key. Student7 (talk) 01:42, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

This whole page is a mess - statistically speaking, anything has a chance of happening at any time in a country the size of the USA. Sociologically inspired statistics should be flagged as such, actual crime statistics (hard numbers) would be more helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.240.138 (talk) 15:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * rm examples. Wikipedia editors can't cherry pick those for an article at this level.
 * Bills. Legislation which are "Bills" should be deleted. They are just pieces of paper until they are passed into law. "Bills" that have been signed by the governor should be named as part of the penal code in whatever fashion, the "Senate Bill number" being dropped. Student7 (talk) 16:36, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I have to keep my emotions out of this reply...

It is a mess that's not even debatable..

I am here to add my own experiences with these bills? Laws? The laws are not ENFORCEABLE if they don't target prevention..

Its not unknown in researchers that the majority of documented cases of recent rescuers of children that have brought CRIMINAL charges against individuals have not revealed the  percentage of children came from the child protection services placement... there is a great deal of unknown facts that never get past the editors  Connie Ford Johnson (talk) 05:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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removed interesting sentence & source that should be used, but seems not to support the sentence
I removed the following sentence from the article just now: "In the 2009 Trafficking in Persons Report, Secretary Hillary Clinton addressed that the global financial crisis has decreased the global demand for labor and increased the number of people willing to take risks for economic opportunities will likely increase the prevalence of cases of forced labor and prostitution."

One problem is that it is not correct grammatically, and it runs on, so I don't know what it means to say. Paraphrasing: "Clinton addressed the crisis decreased demand and increased the number of people will likely increase the prevalence of prostitution etc." Huh? Try rewriting: "Clinton asserted?(noted?) that the financial crisis has decreased demand for labor and increased the number of persons willing to take risks for economic opportunities. This will likely increase the prevalence of cases of forced labor and prostitution." That would be grammatical, but does the source support it? No, it seems like the source doesn't mention Clinton at all, nor does it talk about financial crisis or any of this, AFAICT. Perhaps the report was issued from an office under Secretary of State Clinton, but it is a stretch to say she asserted that. Is the intention to make this more interesting, involving someone running for president now? Or perhaps Clinton did say something along these lines in some other source, even perhaps at a press conference when releasing this report, who knows. It is not supported in the source given, however.

The source seems very relevant and should be used in the article, I am sure, but unfortunately it is now removed. -- do ncr  am  03:04, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

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100,000 child victims of sex trafficking
I've removed the part about "currently at least 100,000 child victims of sex trafficking". This has been debunked here: Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

I have only my first hand knowledge of my own personal opinions about the research that debunks the numbers..as an uncounted victim who escaped and overcome I am not only a survivor I am a living breathing source for those who are still today in the hands of traffickers...

The runaways and thrown away children usually are between 15 and  up .. I am going on various reports from research...

Those thrown away. Run away children usually are the children who have been replaced with the younger children and we are the only ones who can say this is not about how many. It should be more information on the record about how they were truly targeted and the consequences that label them as thrown away.. Who threw them away ? Connie Ford Johnson (talk) 05:31, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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The 17,500
The estimate of 17,500 people trafficked in to the US has recently been tracked to the 2004 version of the Trafficking in Persons Report. This brings up a couple of problems. One is that we now have citations to several different versions of this report, which is not by itself necessarily a problem. But the other is that this 17,500 estimate has been dropped from later versions of the report, which makes me question whether we should be using this 12 year old number. Can anyone find a similar estimate in a more recent version? Kendall-K1 (talk) 14:10, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Village Voice
I've restored the Village Voice analysis of the Pennsylvania study. What is the objection to leaving this in? Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:18, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Dubious claims in Prostitution
This was just added: "Throughout the world, there are 40 to 42 million prostitutes. Out of these, three-quarters are of the ages of 13 to 25 and 80% are female. And 80% of these prostitutes were forced as children into this business and want to escape". The first part of this comes from a Fondation Scelles report that isn't available but is discussed here: This report is simply not credible. It says that 1.5 to 2.5% of US residents are employed as prostitutes. A better guess would be the one from Journal of Sex Research, discussed here, that estimates .023%. That last part about 80% being forced into prostitution as children is just absurd. Kendall-K1 (talk) 14:44, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

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Definitions?
Human trafficking is not synonymous with forced migration or smuggling.
 * This appears to contradict the opening sentence. Valetude (talk) 18:33, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Criticism section "however"
This text in the Criticism section makes sense but isn't referenced and looks like the editor's reasoning rather than based on another source:

"However, there are more victims than those who have applied for and been granted certification. First, certification requires that the victim be willing to cooperate with a police investigation. Following a police raid, some victims just want to go home, some victims don't want to cooperate with police and are deported, and some victims are afraid to testify against vicious traffickers. The application for certification requires support from law enforcement. If the victim is not seen as useful for a case, or if the police don't want to pursue a case, they have no support to stay in the U.S. and will not be counted as victims of trafficking."

Any reference to support this or similar?--C RETOG 8(t/c) 18:20, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Context across borders
Although the page should be focused on human trafficking in the United States, it might benefit the article to add more context as to how some of the federal/local laws may have consequences transnationally across borders, especially when it comes to "international travel". This could perhaps be a new section of its own for further examination. Aso4530 (talk) 10:21, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

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