Talk:Hurricane Allen

Order
The article says Allen "brushed Jamaica" and "struck Haiti". But aren't these two events out of order?
 * So fix it already. Jdorje 01:25, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I will fix it. :) : Irfanfaiz at (GMT 8+) 12.44PM

The track image
I found that track image on another website which is a public one. I don't remember what page did i get it from but the image is in a public domain. So i got to reupload it in what liesence (sorry for the spelling) :P : Irfanfaiz at (GMT 8+) 12.42PM

ACE
What's this storm's ACE? I bet it's pretty high. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 15:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Not sure exactly, but I would assume it is at least in the 45-55 range...probably around where Isabel is. CrazyC83 05:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Annular hurricane?
Was Allen an annular hurricane? Is that why it kept its intensity for so long? CrazyC83 05:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Unlikely. And remember it did weaken quickly at the end. Jdorje 21:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Todo
More specific intro, better structure in the impact. Jdorje 21:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The intro's fine, needs more sources. -- §  Hurricane  E  RIC  §Damages archive 04:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The intro doesn't give any mention of where the storm hit. And the article says that 250 people died, but it doesn't say where (except for a few deaths in Texas and Louisiana).  We can't even expand the intro until more research is done. &mdash; jdorje (talk) 04:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

"Earliest-forming Category 5..."
I've removed this section since we now know Allen has lost his crown to Emily. But is it still worth mentioning that Allen held the record until 2005? Pobbie Rarr 17:02, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It can be worth mentioning. All it needs is one sentence in the storm history section (it doesn't need its own section). — jdorje (talk) 20:31, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Dominican Republic
Was there any impact by Allen in this country? I can't seem to find anything. If not, the impact section should specifically mention Haiti, not Hispaniola. Pobbie Rarr 18:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * As a category five hurricane at the time, Allen should've been impacting the Dominican Republic. However, as evidenced with multiple category five cyclones (Andrew, Dean, Felix), not all Category five hurricanes need to be particularly large in diameter, and no sources want to talk about if Allen hit the Dominican Republic. Daniel J. Clark (talk) 00:29, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Death toll
Okay a bit of a problem here. I make it as follows:

220 (Haiti) + 18 (St. Lucia) + 17 (Louisiana) + 8 (Jamaica) + 7 (Texas) + 3 (Cuba) + 1 (Guadeloupe) = 274

Yet nowhere reports a total this high. What are the best figures to use? Pobbie Rarr 19:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, it seems that the 236-261 figure as quoted by the NHC is for direct deaths only. Then the 274 figure must include both direct & indirect deaths. How many indirect deaths does that make? Pobbie Rarr 19:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Images
I've uploaded a new image for the info box, as it shows Allen at peak intensity. Consequently, the IR landfall image has been moved to the appropriate part of the Storm History section.

If there's a problem with this, let me know. :) Pobbie Rarr 02:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Since NOAA has added a fair amount of old data to the GIBBS project, I've found a full-hemisphere shot of this storm at 1800Z on August 7, the time that it was at 190 mph and 899 mb. (Click on that image for a full version of the file.)  The storm itself is rather small; it isn't a high-res satellite like some of the modern ones.  But since there is a dearth of images of older hurricanes at peak intensity, I thought there might be some use for this.  I can crop the image to show only the hurricane, only the Caribbean, or whatever is needed. PolitiCalypso 21:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A coworker of mine brought in some old satellite imagery today, including a few shots of Allen. I'll place them within the same subdirectory that the TC rainfall climatology images lie on Wednesday, in case anyone would like to use them. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

really short
yea, the article is really short. can i change its status? it realllllly doesn't look like c-status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Viennaiswaiting (talk • contribs) 16:30, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Length is not a criteria for class, or some of our recent GA/FA articles within the met and TC projects would be C. If it is mostly complete with most of the relevant sections and a good amount of referencing, C class is fine.  B class is used for well-referenced articles that are essentially good enough for GA.  If you see a lot of missing information, be bold and add it.  No one owns any of these articles.  It's wikipedia.  Thegreatdr (talk) 21:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It turns out the preparations section was missing. Adding the section added 50% more content to the article.  Thegreatdr (talk) 23:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggestion - Over the last couple of nights ive been going through the TC articles and seeing the damages inflated to 2006 USD. I have been changing these to use the inflate templates which are regually updated and are too 2010 USD AFAIK. So i think it may be a good idea to use them in this article but i want to check this out before implementing them.Jason Rees (talk) 00:28, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That is used in the infobox of this article already. Within the article, it's best to just use the unadjusted dollars, and specify the year.  That way, you're not having to change the article annually.  Thegreatdr (talk) 03:54, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats fair enough - though id just like to point out that you wouldnt have to change the article annually as the coding that i am putting in to articles updates it automatically. ie $ USD also i only add this personally after the original damage totals. This is how it looks in another article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Isabel_in_North_Carolina.Jason Rees (talk) 04:00, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

The road to GA
Five more references are needed where the fact tags have been places, and some expansion is necessary for the lead, though how much I am not sure. Once this is done, this article can be submitted for GAN. Since this is one of the higher importance articles within the TC project, this is an important goal to accomplish. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:25, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Deadlink
There is a deadlink on ref #2 in which I couldn't find an archived version on web.archive.org:


 * http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tracks1851to2008_atl_reanal.txt

–MuZemike 21:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed: it goes dead once a year as the previous years BT is added.Jason Rees (talk) 21:15, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I believe it went dead after the GAN submission.  Thegreatdr (talk) 21:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem - i believe the 2009 BT was added around the 6/3/10.Jason Rees (talk) 21:17, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You and your European date format... =)  Thegreatdr (talk) 03:19, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Damages
The US damages for Allen are a bit confusing, all reports issued by the NHC after the fact give 300 mill for Allens damage, however, the TCR gives 600 mill but because it has a note in the margin querying it i didnt go with it but the more i think about the damage total the more i think it has to be an early example of the doubling up policy employed by NHC today but can anyone clarify this at all?.Jason Rees (talk) 18:29, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Unlike what the article says, Allen retains its record as the strongest atlantic hurricane by wind speed
This is because Patricia was NOT an Atlantic hurricane. It holds that record for "Pacific hurricane" and "Hurricane in general". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:587:103:F233:DD3A:FE2:434F:80EB (talk) 06:27, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

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Map of Hurricane Allen
The map plotting the storm's track and intensity needs to be updated because now Category 5 hurricanes are labeled purple, Category 4 hurricanes are labeled red, and Category 3 hurricanes are labeled dark orange. The Corvette ZR1 (talk) 18:07, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

$100 million tornado in Austin?
Is there a source for this amount? I’ve looked around online and have seen anywhere from $1 million to $250 million. Was this number a mish-mash of different Storm events database listings? Dym75 (talk) 08:49, 25 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Dym75 I found this article from NOAA which says "nearly a third of [$300 million] as a result of a hurricane-spawned tornado in Austin". The NCEI Storm Event Database lists $250 million for one tornado passing through Austin, which I guess is where all the $250 million estimates are sourced to. However, seeing the damage figures in that table are all variants of 2.5/25/250, I'm pretty sure these figures are the midpoints of ranges (5–50, 50–500, 500–5000 etc) previously used to estimate the degree of severity of damage; these ranges even appear at the bottom of the old storm data publications (I accessed the August 1980 one from here). Another estimate I found is $50 million mentioned in this paper. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 16:29, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for responding (and, yes, those damned codes, lol). I feel as if many of these pages are loaded with inaccuracies with regard to damage totals. While I didn’t keep track of all the (possible? Likely?) mistakes I discovered in recent weeks, I do remember that actual damages for Great Barrington and West Stockbridge (MA) both ran lower than those “averages” in the Storm Data reports. But I also know that some folks are married to whatever the Storm Event Database says, even if it’s probably off. I think other NWS papers - like the one you linked to at the end -are probably more accurate than the aforementioned $250M, and I wish we could review these a bit more. Just my humble opinion. Dym75 (talk) 16:47, 25 April 2023 (UTC)