Talk:IMac/Archive 1

Put this up for promotion to featured-article status?
Is there any support for such a move? Tony 07:11, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I will read the page now! LoopZilla 08:32:49, 2005-09-04 (UTC)

Definitly! 71.225.248.188 00:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Images.
There are too many images in the "IMac section. Perhaps these could be moved into other sections, or perhaps some into a "gallery". LoopZilla 08:38:03, 2005-09-04 (UTC)

Peer review
Reviewers are kindly urged to edit this article. I'd like to put it up for consideration as a featured article, coz I love iMacs. But I lack technical expertise, and am just a humble editor. Tony 08:43, 7 September 2005 (UTC)


 * What it could really use is some good free-license photos of iMacs, because most of the pics in the article are Apple's own. —RadRafe 07:08, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Redirect
What do you think of these redirects:
 * Internet Mac
 * Internet Macintosh

Front Row iMac G5?
The caption of one of the picture says "Front Row iMac G5". Even though iMac G5 currently is the only Apple machine that carries the Front Row software, but Apple does not call this machine Front Row iMac G5 officially nor unofficially. If you check the sales order, all paperwork describes this version of the hardware as "iMac G5 iSight". Kowloonese 19:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. -Darkyoshi 18:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Move to Apple iMac?
I think it should be moved to Apple iMac - that way, the capitalization is correct. This would redirect. --worthawholebean talkcontribs 22:32, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Since I haven't received any comments by now, I'm going to be bold and move it. --worthawholebean talkcontribs 03:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Good move. I agree with it. You might want to wait more than 5 hours for a response next time. --huwr 11:17, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Please consider articles with similar naming issues (iTunes, iPod) and articles without those issues (PowerBook G4, Mac mini). I'm not saying that you should prepend "Apple " to all of those; I would consider technical issues to be one of the less important issues when deciding where an article should be, compared to naming guidelines and consistency.  But I think it's something that merits some discussion.  Perhaps in WikiProject: Macintosh.  &mdash; Miles&larr;&#9742; 08:12, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I think this should be moved back to iMac due to Naming conventions (common names), which I agree with. iMac is the common name. Rhobite 07:42, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Rhobite. Mushroom 07:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Also agree with Rhobite. AlistairMcMillan 19:36, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I totally agree. It's not like there is a Dell iMac, a Sony iMac, and an Apple iMac. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidleeroth (talk • contribs) 16:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC).
 * I also agree with Rhobite. I'm going to be bold and move it back.Gateman1997 19:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

64 bit processor
Excuse me, I want to know the difference between 32 bit and 64 bit. The new Intel based iMac is only 32 bit. Should I wait for a 64 bit machine or buy it now? Will 32 bit be out of date soon?
 * For the average user it's irrelevant. Infact for most users that aren't high level programers the new iMac is much better.Gateman1997 01:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Uh.. that's not really true. Graphics-wise it is, but that's only because Apple was a prick and skimped on the PowerBook and iMac graphics cards until they put Intel chips in. Plus, quite a few programs right now run a hell of a lot slower than they did on the iMac G5 because they haven't been properly optimized yet..
 * GUI application in Tiger can be only 32-bit. 64-bit is only supported for command line applications.

The iMac G5 was a 64-bit machine, but the current iMac uses a 32-bit Yonah Core Duo. 64-bit's benefits come in 3 places : 1) vastly larger memory space, allowing a 64-bit machine to address way more than 4 GB of physical memory, and allow processes to gobble up more than 4GB individually. 2) Fast, native 64-bit integer math. 3) on x86, thanks to AMD mostly, the ISA is vastly improved to double the number of general purpose registers from 8 to 16.

For the average user, #1 generally won't be an issue because machines like the iMac are limited to 2GB of physical memory by the number of slots Apple built into the machine. Also few applications need or use the vast 64-bit address space to get their job done. #2 would be a benefit, but 64-bit math is generallly rare enough to not affect you unless you were using your machine for scientific computing. Likely none of the apps you use on a regular basis need either the memory, or the math to get their job done.

The bottom line is : don't worry about it. The 32-bit Core Duo in the iMac, Mac mini, MacBook, and MacBook Pro will continue to be supported in Mac OS X, even after the Core Duo is phased out to be replaced by the 64-bit capable Core 2 Duo. LaughingMan11 16:08, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

iMac Pictures
Does someone want to explain to me why there are three ugly stickit notes on one of the original slot-loading iMacs? It looks awful.
 * I found an image without them. -- grm_wnr Esc  20:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Related to the pictures topic, I found a rather nice GPL vector image of an iMac G5 pre-iSight that I've rasterized and uploaded. I won't put it up here myself but if it's useful to you by all means. Image:IMac_G5.png IntrigueBlue 17:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

iMac Marketing
Paragraph 3, sentence 1 of the iMac article states: The machine enjoys a relatively high profile in popular culture due to its distinctive aesthetics and Apple's successful marketing (even though it has never enjoyed its own TV or magazine spots).

I know I've seen ads both in print and on TV for the G3 iMacs. I'm willing to believe that there are have been no ads run for the new Intel iMacs. If that's what the author was suggesting, shouldn't the sentence be changed to reflect that?

--Stilroc 00:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

You're right about the G3 iMacs, and the Intel iMacs have indeed been featured in a TV spot developed by Apple, at least in passing. However, I believe Apple uses more subtle forms of marketing. For example, I think there's some sort of incentive offered to movies, TV shows, print ads etc. that feature Apple products as general "oh, just let me check my email" kind of write-ins. For example, I can say that fully 75% of laptops I see featured in advertising and on TV are PowerBooks. I don't have any sources to back me up here, but this is my understanding anyway and may be worth looking into further. Also, I've seen G4 iMacs used extensively in home redesign type shows, because of their fun design (and possibly advertising money). I haven't seen the G5 used in this way, maybe because they're less visually arresting or maybe just because they haven't been out long enough to attract the designers' notice. IntrigueBlue 03:49, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I've seen the G5 iMac in an ad for Philidelphia cream cheese (the ones in heaven), and all sorts of Macs are in IKEA ads. Darkyoshi 02:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Redundant links
There are dozens of words linked two, three four or five times, often in theh same sentence. ..
 * Aren't you redundant? You could have said an average of 2.5 words are linked (just joking :) -Darkyoshi 18:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

G5 vs. Intel
I thing that iMac G5 should have a separate article from iMac Core Duo, and also the G3 and G4 macs should redirect to their own pages. Unexperienced users will confuse the designs and think they are the same. --216.233.171.165 22:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree (and I've been thinking of splitting the page before), but the task is nontrivial and I'm a bit stumped about how to approach it. -- grm_wnr Esc  01:13, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Also agreed, their should be a main iMac page and then separate pages for each major model. One for G3, one for G5 and one for intel. We probably do not need seporate pages for the different revisions of each model nor for the core 2 duo iMac.TrevorLSciAct 23:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Pictures
I think you need to use stock photos, it looks better than just regular pics of it inside peoples houses —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Locust43 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC).
 * Read Fair use criteria, section 1. No way that image is going into this article. -- grm_wnr Esc  22:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Irrelevent noted?
I think someone already commented on this (apparently his/her comment was removed by an offended Mac user), but shouldn't the iMac's relevant cult status and niche market be noted?

iMac has a following among a devoted but small (in comparison with the entire computers market) group of users. PC's are far more common, and its well known that iMacs do not play modern computer games and are not made to.

This should be noted, shouldnt it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.152.33.100 (talk • contribs).


 * That's not entirely true, and anyway really applies to Apple computers in general, not just the iMac. Zetawoof(&zeta;) 00:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, and that is not a fair-minded comment and is based on a personal biased remark. iMacs can play RollerCoaster Tycoon 3, Doom, and other common games just as well as PC's; though there may be less. And obviously you are biased against mac, stating that the person who deleted the "mac cult" comment was an 'offended mac user'. Please... --Alegoo92 16:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Ambient Light Sensor
The article states:


 * Ambient Light Sensor” line (the name refers to a new light sensor on the bottom of the iMac that adjusts the glow intensity of the white pulsating sleep indicator light, screen brightness, and keyboard illumination (if attached) according to the ambient light).

I haven't owned any previous iMacs before the current intel model, but AFAIK they do not adjust the screen brightness based on ambient light (I know mine doesn't, and I wish it did!). I believe that's a feature of powerbooks/macbook pros only. Can anyone confirm/deny this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.81.46.149 (talk • contribs) 17:36, 23 July 2006


 * http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301724 AlistairMcMillan 17:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Or to put it another way: ambient light sensor. AlistairMcMillan 17:46, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Anonymous wasn't disputing the presence of the ambient light sensor, but the stated effects, and is correct—the ALS doesn't affect screen brightness or "keyboard illumination". I've revised the article.  &mdash; Miles&larr;&#9742; 19:21, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

British Pound listed before US Dollar
Is it common Wiki formating to list the pound before the dollar? pattersonc 20:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as im aware, most articles that have the british price included do list it before the US Dollar. 82.20.131.182 20:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Does it really matter at all? — Wackymacs 20:46, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Should not an encyclopedia be consistent? I feel consistency helps with ease of readability. pattersonc 21:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily! Just look at the guidelines for varieties of English (be consistent within an article, not between them).  Here's what the Manual of Style has to say about currency.  I'd say as Apple is an American company, we should use USD. &mdash; Miles&larr;&#9742; 03:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

USB section?
The second paragraph in the USB section under Impact strays from the topic of Apple's impact on USB. I recommend this paragraph be somewhere else, or deleted. LaughingMan11 16:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Stock Photos
It would look ALOT better if you did use stock photos instead of those other ones. Although I did notice a nice one of the Intel Core Duo-- And Now the Intel Core 2 Duo!
 * Unfortunately, those beautiful photos are copyright by Apple. If you like, you could ask them permission to use one for Wikipedia, but until we have that kind of access granted, we must use photos of our own iMacs. Also, please remember to sign your name with for tildes. -Darkyoshi 18:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Core 2 Duo Stats
It looks to me like we don't need to list the complete stats of the C2D iMac on the page for all the iMacs. I'd say the most significant details are the 24-inch model, the Core 2 Duo, the education model going all-accessible, and the 24-inch model's ability to see 3 gigs of RAM. Possibly also that Apple is slowly moving towards a gig of RAM standard, as only the Intel graphics one has 512 megs. I don't feel like it, but someone bold should clean that up, a single revision is taking up more space than a generation! -Darkyoshi 18:20, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

24-inch iMac: video connector MXM?
From MXM-Upgrade: If you check the nearest Mac community, you are likely to be hit by the rumours of MXM in an Apple. The rumour seems to have originated on a French forum and has spread widely since then. All we know for sure is that Apple offers several options for the GPU and that the option comes on a daughter card.

So, MXM or not? We don't know. But if you do, please take a picture and be sure to let us know! &mdash;204.42.20.170 02:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Suggested Clarifications
This is not a comment on a whole article, only 1 section and only parts of that section.

Section: 4.2 iMac (Slot Loading) (aka iMac G3)

This section should be clarified with info from:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58669 [iMac: How To Differentiate Between Models (CRT)]

especially as to which models came in which colors and which had DVD-ROM as opposed to CD-ROM (October 5, 1999 especially needs the CD vs. DVD clarification)

For each date, colors and models are given, but the colors cover the sum of all the models of that date, giving the impression that all models had those color options, whereas in fact different models of the same date had different color options.

iMac Page Setup
A while back I noticed when looking at the Apple iMac page that the entire (very long) article covers every model of an iMac ever made. To break down the pages and make them more detailed for the specific model and give information encyclopedically (rather than in its almanac-like condition), I thought and tinkered with the idea of making the iMac page have three "portal boxes" with images of the design of the iMac linking to its page. This way the articles wouldnt be related to the specific generation or revolution of each mac update, but just the design of the computer (like the CRT jelly-bean ones have one page, the desk lamp like LCDs have one, and the TV-like LCDs have their own page).

I edited the ideas for creating this on TextEdit, so as to not interfere with Wikipedia by accidentally clicking "Save Page" or anything, and had them coming alot quite nicely and aesthetically. But then Intel Macs were introduced and I realized that Wikipedia admin may have a problem with putting two very different computers one page just because they look the same. So with that I deleted the files from TextEdit and did away with the idea.

Now I am seeking public approval for the concept to see if I could try and spearhead it again. If others think it sounds like a good idea please let me now, and I would be very happy to take this job upon myself and fine tune it before submitting it to the actual database.

Please leave your opinions here but I personally am much more likely to catch them here.

Thanks in advanced, --Alegoo92 05:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I think I'll go ahead and start this in my spare time and ill see how people like it later. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alegoo92 (talk • contribs) 05:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

"updates" to "history"
It would be logical to put "updates" section to "history" section - will it be OK if I merge these two sections together? --Running 16:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will do it :) --Running 18:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)