Talk:Ice-T/Archive 1

More missing credits for his musical career
And, he was also featured on the album by Marc Live "Validation" (2004). DigitizerSF 06:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Missing credits for his musical career
...wow. Nobody mentioned the classic "Rhyme Syndicate Comin' Thru" compilation! Or his production work/ appearances on the underrated Donald D LP, "Notorious".

Ethnicity
Can someone add his Ethnicity wheter being all african american. or caucasian and african american. or of southamerican (and or Afrocaribian) and african american decent or any other.

The vast majority of people who self identify as African American, have varying amounts of European ancestry. However, unless the white ancestor(s) were very recent, (parent or grandparent), nearly all will simply self identify as being black. This is usually attributed to acceptance of the rule of hypodescent, also known as the one-drop rule, which assigns people of mixed ancestry to the "subordinate" group. Thus, in the US, people with known African ancestry, or who exhibit certain physical traits associated with with west Africans, are nearly always considered black. 70.17.168.106 02:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

This belongs somewhere else
Anyone else notice the irony of a guy who used to call himself "Cop Killer" portraying an NYPD detective? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.165.87.40 (talk • contribs) 00:33, March 13, 2006 (UTC)

Jhamez84 Ice-T noticed the irony for one, (following taken from the main article page).... He answered the controversy by saying the song was written in character, and that "if you believe that I'm a cop killer, you believe David Bowie is an astronaut." Indeed, Ice-T has portrayed police officers many times in his acting career.

Hope that answers your question.


 * Not to mention that copkiller is deticated to corrupt cops... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.234.118.67 (talk) 22:38, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Biography
I'm listening to an Ice-T interview from 1994 on npr's "Fresh Air" right now, and he's bringing up all sorts of interesting stuff... it would be great to have some of it incorporated into this article.

a couple of tidbits:

-he was in the army at one point -his parents both died when he was very young ZacharyS 02:20, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

there is also no mention of Ice-T's nation wide tour to college campuses as an inspirational speaker. He also wrote a book called "The Ice Opinion" released in the 1990s.

There should probably be more information on the Cop Killer controversy--after all, it's what he's famous for. Rob 17:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

i think the Ice T name paying homage to Iceberg Slim could be worked in here as well... --timeheater 07:15, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Also, maybe add his film and TV credits... there's a very interesting documentary on pimping that features Ice T called 'Pimps Up, Hos Down'... a must see for fans. What about Ice T's past profession of pimping and his continued association over the years with the pimp lifetyle? Has Ice-T ever fallen for one of his HO's? Wasn't there one that got away? Anyway, happy birthday from Tricky Niccki, the one that got away. There's a story behind it so if you get a chance ask him. Ask him who came up with the idea for Body Count and the conversation on police brutality on the streets of Hollywood and the teens who had to live with it in the early '90's. Ask him what importance the Whisky-a-go-go had to do with the invention of Body Count and if he actually did his research on the Thrasher band that played there prior to the conversation on the podium with a girl he thought was a Ho but truely wasn't and why it was so important to bring rap music further into the mainstream of what the middle class kids were listening to at that particular time.

Hey all this makes no sense, I know that persons are trying to dis ICE, but seriosly if you want to do it proper, site sources etc. Heard Ice/Bodycount on roskilde 1995, loved him before and still love him, although the pimping shit is boring as hell, that however doens't mean haters should fuck up this site. 80.167.85.23 00:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

This article is really bad!
What the hell happened?? M.C. Brown Shoes 08:12, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Three weeks ago, there was a major edit by an anonymous user which changed a lot, possibly for the worse, but I can't be sure. Maybe this was overlooked by the regular contributors to this article and should be rolled back. AxelBoldt 00:35, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Looks Like it. --Samuel J.Howard


 * Ice definitely deserves better than this. The article is very sloppily-written and not very well-sourced (as a general rule, web sources aren't reliable. I would suggest working from printed sources, like newspaper articles and books). (Ibaranoff24 22:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC))

Perhaps exposing his homosexuality would help also? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.1.97 (talk) 04:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

This belongs somewhere else
"Unknown" later collaborated with West Coast Rap Pioneer / archivest DJ Flash on  Ice T-The Classic Collection,    Dr.Dre-Concrete Roots and West Coast Rap-The First Dynasty.

This should be part of the The Unknown DJ article. I'm not sure whether it's actually correct though, so I'll check first.

Wathiik 21:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Just checked. Unknown DJ in fact didn't collaborate with DJ Flash on those CDs; they just contain old tracks produced by Unknown. Wathiik 21:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Ice-T's Background
Can somebody corroborate Ice-T's ethinicity/racial background and add it to the article page? Thanks Jhamez84 15:45, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I think he says in his book (THE ICE OPINION) that his father was Creole (i.e. of mixed European and African descent), and that his mother was African-American. I'm not sure whether that should be in the article, even though one may link his racial background with his own anti-racism. Wathiik 12:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Note section
The Note section in Ice-T overlaps a fair bit with the rest of the article. Some info is duplicated but not all of it, so simply deleting the Note section seems counter-productive. Paddles 16:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Law and Order
Isn't he on one of the Law and Order series? No mention of that here.


 * It's mentioned in the "Actor" section. thx1138 08:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Image redux
I have replaced the initial image with one that has been released by the photographer. I am not sure of the correct tag, but check it out. The previous image used a deprecated tag, not desirable in the article. --Dumarest 11:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Politics?

 * I noticed that this article is listed under both Category:Musical activists and Category:Anti-Iraq war Veterans, but there's no mention of Ice T's political activism anywhere in the article. So either he shouldn't be in these categories, or the information is missing from the article (my money's on the latter of the two). Is anyone willing to develop this? Luna Santin 11:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Cop Killer
Why is the most controversial part of Ice-T's career, his infamous song "Cop Killer," not so much as mentioned? Is someone trying to pretty his background up? Sorry, like it or not, it's the first thing he was widely known for in the mainstream. A paragraph should be added.

"Cop Killer" by Ice-T

Da Best?
I think that Ice-T is the best rapper of all time in rap music history.he has proven to be hip-hop one of most greatest star ever.he's style,he's message are powerful and ideas(the mind is most powerful weapon)he has been rapper since when his first record came out (1982 - present) he's not maybe the most famous nowadays rapper,but he ideas are powerful.with the one word he is the legend.

Ice T is and has always been a crip. Check all images of him on stage with Body Count, all sport a crips rag.

Rapcore?
The intro to this article asserts Ice T was also instrumental in creating rapcore. The article says nothing about what influence Ice T had on rapcore, or any rapcore band. What did he do? -- Mikeblas 15:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's explained over at the Body Count article. (Ibaranoff24 18:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC))

Rap School
Can we have something written about his reality TV show shown on MTV - Ice T's Rap School. Sparky132 16:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe it was aired on VH1, not MTV. It was at least aired FIRST on VH1. But I agree, the show should definitely be mentioned.

Date of Birth
I suggest before reverting the 14th/16th that someone find a good reliable source for his birthdate because the current cites are not really sufficient WP:RS for either date. Also remember, you are edit-warring over 2 days... keep it up and you'll qualify this article for WP:LAME.--Isotope23 14:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd rather be lame that using poor sources, the source I'm using is not user-generated like IMDB which is the one everyone uses. As for the sources I have included, the biographies are updated by paid members or family members or the person itself which is somewhat reliable. Lincher 17:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'd say that a source updated by paid members or family members is just as poor of a source as IMDB... in both cases you are trusting the truthfulness of anonymous people and in neither case is it WP:RS.--Isotope23 20:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I can say the same thing for my edits and your edits on wikipedia and for that matter we have to WP:AGF toward each and everyone of us. And before we find actual birth certificates or so of Ice-T, then we will leave it as such for now. Lincher 20:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not attacking your edits, merely pointing out the problems with source reliability here. You may have noticed I made no edit to the date, I just posted up a disputed tag.--Isotope23 20:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Found a reliable source, a magazine in that case. Lincher 20:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Works for me.--Isotope23 18:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Spelling
The standard spelling is Ice-T, hyphenated. Ice T is mainly used on non-official releases. Wathiik 10:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been spelled both ways. His website doesn't have the hyphen. (Ibaranoff24 14:41, 7 July 2007 (UTC))

Killer the first politic hiphoptrack
Writing this is plain out wrong since the first political hip hop track is from 1980 by Brother D - How We Gonna Make The Black Nation Rise. The b-side on a 12" released by the reggae label Clappers. Therefore I delete this part. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.100.56.138 (talk) 19:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

Vandalism

 * Someone replaced this page wit "he is a fag." While I tried to fix it, it made me look as though I had vandalized Wikipedia. Connell66 04:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

some one replaced a stuff in the satage name section is vandalized —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.154.4.96 (talk) 17:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

wow, this article needs help.
This article is long on opinion, almost sounding like poorly written ad copy, and fairly short on facts, at least compared to the amount of opinion.

Added another movie he was in
Added that he played Hamilton in 3000 Miles to Graceland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.229.233.104 (talk) 11:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

propose demote to start class?
i believe this article does not yet meet B class requirements. the concluding paragraphs cite no (or very little) sources, a significant portion of the article revolves around the o.a interpretation of facts, and the overall look and feel of the article does not resemble the common qualities of a B status article.

the career portion seems solid enough, but everything else...not so much. anyone agree? Wikifan12345 (talk) 03:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Annoying

 * Comment - I don't like this guy. It looks like most of the publicity mentioned in the article is about the Soulja boy fued. -- eric (mailbox)  07:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your opinion. Do you have any suggestions on improving the article? Niteshift36 (talk) 08:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, nominate it for deletion. -- eric (mailbox)  21:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Feel free. I'm not a fan, but he certainly exceeds the criteria for notability, so I doubt you'll be successful. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sarcasm of course, but fundamental information regarding his career seems to be over shadowed by his tactics. I'll see what I can find to contribute to this article. -- eric (mailbox)  23:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

"Controversy" section confusing
As I don't follow current pop culture closely, I know nothing of the controversy described in the "Controversy" section, and reading the accounting as it stands (on August 26) leaves me confused. There is no description of Soulja Boy's comments throughout, so I can't understand what Ice-T is responding or reacting to.

Someone who is familiar with the situation described should add some context. Sojambi Pinola (talk) 18:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ice-T thinks the guy makes crappy music made to sell records to suburban white kids and not real hip hop. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I feel there is not real set definition of real hip hop becuase it's merely an opinion. Although I'm not blind, there is a obvious difference between underground hip hop and commercial hip hop and I'm not just talking about the fame or money. I guess you can blame the radio for that. -- eric (mailbox)  23:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree there is no set definition. Ice-T simply expressed his opinion of what it is and it was controversial. Niteshift36 (talk) 05:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

The controversy section is absolutely pointless if it's only going to include that one thing that no one will remember a year or two from now. Ice-T became a major issue during the 1992 election because of his band's song, "Cop Killer," and helped create a genre of music (gangsta rap) that has led to protests and Congressional hearings. Is a mixtape/YouTube war of words with a 17-year-old bubblegum rapper really all that important? Just delete the stupid thing.


 * It's current. It was relevant enough that other artists got involved. Niteshift36 (talk) 05:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The narrator in Cop Killer is not a criminal
I have Changed the following text in the musical career section to read:

"Controversy from various police advocacy groups and the National Rifle Association later surrounded Body Count over its song "Cop Killer", a song intended as a narrative from the view of a victim of police brutality."

The old text said: "Controversy later surrounded Body Count over its song "Cop Killer", a song intended as a narrative from the view of a criminal killing a police officer, from the National Rifle Association and various police advocacy groups."

My first reason is that it was a disjointed sentence that seemed at first glance to suggest that the NRA supported Cop Killing.

My second change was made because no where in the Cop Killer lyrics does it state that the narrator is a criminal. The song mentions that "a pig stopped him for nuthin." Although he clearly has violent intentions toward police, this is in response to police brutality. Technically he is not a criminal until AFTER an attempt to kill an officer is made.

While I have very little love for ICE-T and he has chosen to portray criminals in other songs or even BE one in real life, the fact is that there is no mention that the narrator was involved in crime in the past. As he himself has noted, David Bowie has written a song from the point of view of an astronaut and for the duration of Major Tom he is one. For the duration of Cop Killer, Ice-T is a law-abiding victim of police brutality until he commits the act. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.14.123.8 (talk) 00:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Be Somebody… or be Somebody’s Fool
According to Nanarland Ice-T played in that movie but it's mentioned nowhever here, it should be at least mentioned in the filmography shouldn't it? Matthieu (talk) 17:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC) http://www.nanarland.com/Chroniques/Main.php?id_film=besomebody

Age and Race
Didn't Soulja Boy say that Ice-T was born in 1958, not 1959 lol? But it doesn't really make a difference =) TechOutsider (talk) 00:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)TechOutsider

Is Soulja Boy, a confirmed moron, really the best source for that kind of information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.231.227 (talk) 01:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Book: List of chapter titles not especially helpful
Moved this from the discussion of his book The Ice Opinion: Who Gives a Fuck? in the section "Political views": The ten chapters are: IMHO, there's no point in simply giving a list of chapter titles. Either go into a little more detail, or omit this list. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 15:48, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The Jungle Creed
 * The Killing Fields
 * Crime and Punishment
 * Men, Women and Sex
 * Rap: the art of Shit Talkin'
 * Religion: One Percent Nation
 * Racism
 * Riots and Revolution
 * The Controversy
 * The Future / No Fear