Talk:Iced Earth

Did Brent Smedley Quit?
The page was recently updated saying that Brent Smedley quit the band but I don't see any sources saying he did. Obviously at this point quitting is purely symbolic since the band is not active anyway but this makes having a source even more important Stilgar (talk) 13:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Updated main picture
The current picture is of Iced Earth with former member Matt Barlow, here is a more up to date picture of the band with current vocalist Stu Block - http://www.metal-archives.com/images/4/4_photo.jpg?2048 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.98.201.211 (talk) 01:42, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Guys, the link to "below" for the former members does not work
67.212.9.31 (talk) 23:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

"Its topics range from the Declaration of Independence to 9/11 to Napoleon Bonaparte and there are three songs all dealing with the battle of Gettysburg and a second disc (in the U.K. extended version) with the songs Waterloo and the unplugged version of When the Eagle Cries added to the first disc with the Gettysburg Trio moved to the second disc."

I don't think that makes much sense. Can someone who knows what it's supposed to say fix it so the sentences aren't mashed together? --Vyran 3 July 2005 00:19 (UTC)


 * Yeah that's a mouthful. I edited that- any better now? --Malathion 3 July 2005 00:25 (UTC)
 * Well, it makes more sense now, but you cut out the whole sentence I was trying to clarify. --Vyran 4 July 2005 03:33 (UTC)
 * Added the part about the second disc and rephrased it a bit Absolute Zero 22:57, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Is this an advertisement?
Some sections were obviously written by an overzealous fan... I edited it a bit to make it more neutral, taking out the bits about the vocals being "beautiful," etc. 4.225.88.2 04:59, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * While I agreed with everything the previous text contained (being an "overzealous fan" myself), i think what you converted it to is much better NPOV text. Thank you. --V3rt1g0 06:33, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Pro-War Song?
"When The Eagle Cries had been one of the few pro-war songs released by the music industry."

Would whomever wrote this article remove this line? I don't recall anyone stating how it was either pro-war or anti-war. Last time I checked, it didn't seem to say anything about being all for the war at all, if anything, I could contest it is just as much against the war if anything. That is all, thank you.

-the song is certainly pro-war if you read the lyrics

To quote: "Blood will flow/ For Freedom's Fight" -167.1.120.20 16:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

When the Eagle Cries is a 9/11 tribute song and could also be interpreted as a Pro-War song. (KingYaba 01:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC))

History: Tim Owens
AFAIK, Schaffer kicked Owens out of the band because the two had some sort of a conflict. In the article, it seems as though he left. I'm not sure on this though, but it wouldn't seem like something that would just take place without problems, seeing how quite a bunch of people only liked the band for the vocals (this isn't a subjective argument though).

Tim Owens is a poser. Just because he fronted Judas Priest for a little bit while Halford was away doesn't automatically qualify him as a "metal god" as I've heard him being declared one numerous times. Why Schaffer replaced Barlow with Owens is completely beyond me, but I would hope they see the light eventually and get Barlow back.

Barlow will heed the call of Metal. At least, I hope so. Mailrobot 20:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia talk pages are not places for band discussins and personal attacks. BTW, none of previous IE vocalists had vocal range compared to Ripper's. He is widely regarded as a talented vocalist. Garret Beaumain 23:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

schaffer let barlow go because matt's heart wasn't in the music anymore and it showed in the music he recorded for TGB. schaffer did give him a chance.70.106.36.174 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.106.36.174 (talk) 02:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Iced Earth MySpace?
This page claims to be the official Iced Earth MySpace. Is this page theirs? Their website makes no mention of it one way or another, and the MySpace page does have downloads enabled for three songs. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 21:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Iced Earth/SPV contacted Myspace and had them take it down due to copyrwrite issues. Iced Earth now has control over their own name and will be making their very own Myspace page in the coming weeks. It was announced on the IE official site. "

"JUNE.06.2007 "Official" Iced Earth pages at myspace.com

As you may have noticed, the myspace.com page(s) claiming to be "official" myspace.com pages for Iced Earth have been removed from myspace.com at request of the band's record label, SPV. There has never been a myspace.com page endorsed by the Iced Earth and the band certainly doesn't condone the act of posting copyrighted material on such sites without doing it legally. Iced Earth truly treasures the passion of all it's fans on myspace.com, but at the same time, there is a need for the band to speak with one clear voice that is truly, "official." IcedEarth.com and SPV are currently working to create an official myspace.com page for Iced Earth which will be launched by the end of June. The address will be, myspace.com/icedearth. Stay tuned! " http://www.icedearth.com/

(KingYaba 01:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC))

Recent 'History' changes
On Februrary 9th the History section was replaced with one that doesn't flow as nicely as the previous text and is quite poorly formatted. I don't know if this should be reverted, or who would make that call, but the state of the article as it is is not pleasant. Medgno 01:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The changes were reverted roughly 10 hours later. -- 01:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Removal from history section
Without even a nod to WP:A, calling some an anti-semite and accusingly them of stealing is going too far. Burzmali 15:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It was taken from the Encyclopedia Metallum almost word for word. I have no idea if it is accurate their either as no source was given there so it is probably still unsourced and needed to be removed.  I'll continue to look to find an accurate account of why he was removed from the band. -- Borameer &trade; 17:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Mistaken genre
If anyone cares to listen to the band, or even read it's website you'll realise they're Heavy metal... Always have been, always will be. Sure, they have a FEW songs that sound power metal-esque, doesn't make them power metal though! Check their website before changing the genre back to it's previous incorrect genres (if anyone is dense enough to), eh? "ICED EARTH, have taken the long, high road of non-compromise to reach the rarified air breathed by those few who enjoy lasting commercial success writing and performing music in the Heavy Metal genre." <== from their own website. The band know better than you do, leave the genre as "Heavy metal". That is correct, thrash, etc is NOT. If you can't get records right, get off Wikipedia.


 * Power metal and thrash metal are both subgenres of heavy metal so if the band says they make heavy metal music it does not mean that it is not power or thrash. Metal archives list them as power and thrash which is what they are.--E tac 20:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Good for the "Metal archives". The band determines its genre, they stipulate they are Heavy metal. If they were thrash, they'd say so. The passage pasted does not state any other than Heavy metal, Ergo that is what genre they are. Metal archives are often mistaken... Some "archives" have gone as far as calling them rock. I suppose next you'll be saying that has to be added? Stick with what the band say - they know better, after all its their band, not the "Metal archives" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.192.195 (talk) 18:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * "The band determines its genre" So what if they said they were country or hip hop or some style that doesn't even exist? Should that go on here then as well? Calling them rock also wouldn't be wrong, they are just more then that. Why can't you accept this?--E tac 06:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * "So what if they said they were country or hip hop or some style that doesn't even exist?" Erm... Heavy metal didn't exist at one point and now it does, so that pathetic statement is pretty invalid. Do try to think up a worthy reply. The band make the music, the band create the style in which they play, therefore they determine the genre. Oh, also they're never said on stage that they're power metal... Just "heavy f**king metal". Why can't you accept simple fact? Please take yourself elsewhere - Your points have been intrinsically flawed and you haven't provided a single worthy response. Come back when you can backup every response you made (like I have done).


 * Um yeah ok you haven't made any point what does heavy metal not existing at some point in time have to do with anything. Heavy metal is a form of rock. Power metal and thrash metal are forms of heavy metal. Just because Iced Earth does not say that they are either power metal or thrash metal does not mean that they are not. The sound of the music determines what style it is not whatever the band wants to say they are. What if Britney Spears said she was a heavy metal artist? Would you put heavy metal on her article because that is what she said she is? You are just rambling on about what the band apparently said they were on stage and totally ignoring the valid questions I have presented you. Then you you followed that by atempting to belittle me and told me to leave here. Good job.--E tac 17:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Relax E tac. The person you're talking to obviously has no idea what they are talking about. The user hasn't backed up anything they've said. If one listens to Iced Earth it is clear they combine power metal and thrash metal. Look I'm not the biggest fan of Cradle of Filth but in the past they've called themselves "heavy funk"...and that doesn't make it so. Iced Earth is heavy metal, but that doesn't mean they're not other things. Trust me, they wouldn't deny that they are power and thrash. The reason they say "heavy metal", though is because of the term. Many earlier heavy metal bands said that, too, because they take pride in the term "heavy metal", duh. And like I said, Iced Earth is heavy metal, but that doesn't mean they aren't thrash and power if you get down to the specifics. There is no band that is just heavy metal, thats an umbrella term. Even many classic acts had speed metal or doom or hair or w/e in their music. Their is more pride, though, when a band says "we are heavy metal", instead of getting specific about it. Class dismissed, the master has spoken. PS listen to IE and you can hear in their music the power and thrash element...they use thrash riffs a lot, and their singers have always mixed gruff thrash vocals with higher clean power vocals. They are definitely not just "heavy metal".  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 23:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * WHOA, here I was thinking this guy just didn't know what he was talking about at all...not even worth the effort. That user has a list of warnings on their pages and been blocked a couple times...the user is just another little vandal. Not to mention their contributions are not the contributions of someone who likes metal LOL...its sad, really.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 23:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Matt Heafy says Trivium are thrash. I think that just about puts that dudes argument they aren't power or thrash in the garbage disposal unit! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.207.89 (talk) 08:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, thanks. Another good point.  Well it's obvious to everyone that user is either very very misinformed or an idiot.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 18:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Barlow
DUDE! THAT RULES! BARLOW IS BACK! I love Ripper but Barlow is the best. We should keep updates of what's going on with this. Thank you, Skeeker &#91; Talk &#93; 00:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I couldn't believe the news either. I like Ripper and all, but Barlow's the better fit for the band, IMO. Today is a good day for metal. \m/ 216.209.117.97 (talk) 02:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Matt Barlow will no longer be in the band...http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=65820 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.229.21.8 (talk) 00:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

?
"Iced Earth will no longer be doing massisve tours." What happened? Just because Barlow returned? Dark Executioner (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is exactly why they will not be doing "massive tours" anymore. Mr. Barlow is continuing his career as a police officer and gigging with the band during his spare time. Barlow also had commitments to the band Pyramaze so you must understand there is/was a lot of demand for his time. Grab your tickets while you can because when they do play a concert, it will be special. (KingYaba (talk) 05:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC))

Horror Show
In the article it says "little of the thrash metal influence from the band's earlier works is present." I agree 100% with the claim that it's a power metal album, but... Well, how about a death-metal influence? I mean, Richard Cristy does basically nothing but provide a double-bass assault on "Wolf!" Notice, I'm not calling Iced Earth a death-metal band. I'm just suggesting that they had some death-metal influence on some of the songs on Horror Show due to the involvment of both S. Digiorgio and R. Christy (who both came from Death). Festering Rat Corpse (talk) 20:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Testament musical influence
I think this is quite clear, especially the riffs on the something wicked trilogy are quite reminiscent to those of many testament songs. Also in part 1: prophecy Matt sings the line "disciples of the watch". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.123.162 (talk) 12:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Albums band members have played on
I have a couple issues either that i'm not getting or just aren't clear. it says under days of puragatory that brent played drums on certain tracks, but it also says mark did, which is true and can we try and clean it up a bit?

also there is a list of who played on what album, but there is nothing for the current lineup.

recent updates
The Page refers to Matt Barlow as current vocalist and only briefly mentions his departure in 2011. Also the only reference to Stu Block is in the members area where he is listed as vocalist but so is Matt Barlow. This needs edited to avoid confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.237.202.180 (talk) 13:48, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Replace image
The current article image is an old one with Matt Barlow back in 2008. Now that Stu Black is the new vocalist, should consider replacing the article image with a more current one that includes Stu. I suggest the following image at http://www.icedearth.com/system/files/images/iced_earth_color_publicity_photo_credit_justin_borucki_1.jpg found at the Official Website of the band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.15.9 (talk) 00:56, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

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About Jon Shaffer
I would like to know whether Jon Schaffer should be considered a former member at this point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by James12183 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2021
Update: Following his arrest, Jon Schaffer was removed from the band, replacements are now being auditioned. IcedEarth2021 (talk) 15:19, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Any proof or evidence of this? MetalDiablo666 (talk) 16:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Elliot321 (talk &#124; contribs) 18:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Lead paragraph needs to be rewritten
This doesn't make sense as it is. :Iced Earth is a Far Right American with strong ties to Trump Supporters and domestic terrorism heavy metal band formed in Tampa, Florida and currently based in Columbus, Indiana." 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 13:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Not really. You missed the recent vandalism that added that content. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:57, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 12:47, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

aftermath
Most of the band has left, is incarcerated/witsec shouldn't the leading paragraph be was not is? 209.54.12.243 (talk) 09:13, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If you have a source for this, we should write about it in the article itself and the lede should be updated, yes. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)