Talk:Il Divo

My wish song for Il Divo's next album
In their next album, I would hope if they could sing "Nessun Dorma". I am very sure they could pull it out more appealing and energetic than Pavarotti and others. Especially David, of course :). Any comments, guys?? -Jay 03:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry Jay, I love Nessun Dorma too and would love to hear it by Il Divo, but David himself has said ID won't touch operatic repertoire...in fact, at Il Divo's forum we have a thread just for fans to suggest their favorite songs for ID's next album ; I personally would love if they made a cover of Carlos Gardel's tango, El Dia que Me Quieras (The Day You Love Me)  or the Hungarian trio Adagio's Te Vagy (You Are)    ... but no way on earth Il Divo is beating Pav as Calaf! ;) Rosa 04:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Most of people in the forum suggested for "Pop" songs. I love Nessun Dorma from long ago, but.. I dont know, I kinda hate the way those opera singers sang it. The song is great if we mixed some "pop" in it and I am damn sure combination of Carlos and David (with the help of Urs + Seb) would make the song goes to number 1 in the billboard! When did David actually said tht he wont be touching operatic repertoire? What a waste because in my opinion, that is what he is good at! Ever since I come to know Il Divo in the middle 2005, I was hoping if they could sing songs taken from the Three Tenors CD and do it in “Il Divo’s” way . That would be marvelous! Perhaps I should “spam” Simon Cowell about this. PS- I never wish Il Divo to beat Pavarotti :). I always admire Pavarotti's and Domingo's voices, its just that I am not really into operatic way of singing. - Jay 17:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Please lol, don't let anyone see you have asked me when did David actually said ID won't be touching operatic repertoire or someone at this lunatic asylum might think I should cite my source properly! ;)... I wonder what would Maestro Puccini think of anyone claiming his masterpiece needed some "pop" mixed into it in order to make it great lol...you're just too funny Jay, in a good way :) Rosa 21:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Pucini will thank to me when his masterpiece beats all the songs in the billboard :). I know my music taste is a bit weird as much as I don’t understand what is it that I hate so much about opera songs. Every time I hear them singing, I feel so depressed and tense but I force myself to listen because I enjoy the voices, imagine that. - Jay 05:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Added Photos
Just added the photo, edited the video myself. The video is given by a friend. It is a bit blur. - Jay 09:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Added photos given by my aunt to members page. Taken using my camera, Sony Cybershot. I didnt put the photos given by a friend, those photos were bad (blur) PS: My aunt is so damn lucky, cant imagine how my uncle feels. She took lot of photos with David. I just cant understand women!! - Jay 04:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Enlighten me please
Not only the admin deleted the photos in Il Divo's members page but when I asked for justification, they even remove the photo in the main page. I just dont understand how it works in here. - Jay 06:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * From what I've noticed about celebs' pages, most of them have crappy pics, instead of the nice photos from official photo shoots and such. Hence, my guess is that those pics on the Il Divo and members' pages had copyright restrictions on them. From what I remember, the picture on the Il Divo page was from one of those album photo shoots. Btw, when you asked for justification, did you maybe somehow alert the admin to the fact that the members' pages were using copyrighted photos?Pristine 13:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I dont understand the rules in here. I posted members individual photos (in members page) taken from The Christmas Collection. When I noticed it was deleted, I asked for their justifications and told them that it was taken from the album (just like many other singers articles in Wikipedia - mostly taken from the CD covers including Il Divo). That is when they removed the photo in the main page. Truly I was shocked, it has been a norm for articles in Wikipedia to use album covers and dont tell me that they just noticed it today?? Here is the reply from one of the admins and I told him, if they dont allow photos from CD album, why only Il Divo and how about others?


 * "Album covers can only illustrate album articles. Members articles may not include album covers. Yes, we are working hard to remove all album covers from member's articles and not just those on the Il Divo article. If you see any such misuse, you can help correct it, but be certain to leave an edit summary explaining your actions. A reference to WP:FUC is also helpful. Rklawton 12:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)" - Jay 13:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I regret not to bring a camera when I went to Il Divo's concert last week. If I knew this would happened, I would have taken the close shot myself. My sitting was in the second row before the stage, imagine how clear it is.  When I called  for the ticket’s reservation, I was told take that we were not allowed to bring in the camera unless if we are from the media agencies or some sort of photography companies. I was surprised to see many people brought the cameras and took the snapshots during the concert.. Damn, I missed that opportunity. I wish if I could find the “person” when I called for tickets booking! - Jay 13:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

armani models?
"he decided to form a multinational quartet (Spain, Switzerland, France, and United States) that tried to sound like The Three Tenors and looked like Armani models."

Did Simon Cowell really want singers who looked like Armani models? In the Encore DVD, he said specifically that he was looking for talent/good singers, and that the good looks came as a bonus (or something to that effect). I'm just concerned about the lack of source for this statement. Pristine 11:55, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Pristine, quality of voices are the priority but the good looking and dress smartly are the privileges. If you typed "Il Divo" + Armani models in google.com, you will get many sites that confirmed Simon says he was looking for "multinational quartet that sound like The Three Tenors and looked like Armani models". Below are few sites which confirmed that.. many more actually.


 * http://www.livedaily.com/news/Il_Divo_continues_to_conquer_the_world-11096.html?t=6
 * http://www.amazon.co.uk/Siempre-Il-Divo/dp/B000IY03DM
 * http://www.sanbi.org/whatson/ildiv.htm


 * - Jay 13:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Jay, thanks for the links. I see what you mean, but...there isn't a source which actually quotes Cowell directly. It's mainly he "apparently" want such and such. Again, I point to the fact that Cowell said in the DVD that (and this is similar to what you said) that he wanted good voices, and the good looks, etc was a plus. It seemed to me that his primary purpose/initial idea for Il Divo was to bring the classics to the masses, and the good looks and "bags of charisma" was secondary; in contrast, the links provided by the Google search il divo armani models cowell made it seem as if the good looks were of primary importance. Were they really? Also, even though all this so called "quote" can be seen all throughout the web, it may be because it spawned from a misplaced quote. The best link so far I think is the CNN interview with Il Divo (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/25/lkl.01.html), which seems to put that quote in context. Does anyone know an interview/article which DIRECTLY quotes Cowell?Pristine 01:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Permission to use the content for translation to other language
Is it ok if I like to use the content and translate it to other language in Wikipedia? I am currently working on the translation and perhaps change (add/remove) some of the contents and the structure of the page. Here is the link Il Divo page in MS Wikipedia - Jay 16:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, it's okay Jay.Rosa 20:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks Rosa. I have completed translating and also added a bit info about “The Christmas Collection”, the “Giftpack” album and added the DVD covers etc. Well, I know you don’t understand the content in there but it is fun actually completing the whole page. Now I am working on the Il Divo’s members page including Simon Cowell and pages for Pop Opera, Classical Music, Opera etc. I am planning to translate “The Three Tenors” and the three tenors members’ page. Wish if I have all the times in the world.- Jay 12:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Sébastien Izambard
Hi all, this is about Sébastien Izambard article. I actually posted the discussion under Sébastien Izambard but since all of you chat here, I better post in here. The article says that Sebastien is a tenor. Is he really a tenor? Well, NOT as far as I am concern. His voice is far below tenor and he is not even a baritone. Please double confirm about this. David and Urs are tenors but Sebastien is not. Sebastien is a French pop singer. If my comment is not justifiable because it is based on my hearing to his voice, please watch the DVD interview with Il Divo. Besides, if you listened to Josh Groban and Carlos Marín, their voices are far deeper but still they are only labeled as Baritones. Sébastien voice is softer than both of them. Jay


 * Tenors vary in tone quality, some are light and some heavier. For example, David's tone is far lighter than Urs'. Likewise, Sébastien's is heavier than both of them (not much though) without being heavy enough to qualify as baritone or even baritenor. I think he's a regular tenore lirico, lacking the kick of the spinto or even the baritonal quality of heldentenore.Rosa 19:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * My point is, Sebastien doesn’t have the “tenor's” voice and the capability to deliver the tenor’s part. Based on 4 Il Divo’s album that I have, his voice is just like a common pop singer’s, no more no less. Therefore to label him as a Tenor would make it looks inappropriate. In fact, during the interview, all 3 other friends of him recognized him as a pop singer. When I read the article in Sebastian main page saying that he is a French Tenor, I smiled. Tenors usually are associated with singers with deep strong voice and generally sing using falsetto voice just like what Urs and David do. I know there are ranges of tenor but in the case of Il Divo being a pop opera (with a lot of classical touch), Sebastien has never proved that he is a Tenor in any form. I would not argue about this if Il Divo is just like a common singing group such as the “Back Street Boys”, but being a ½ (pop) classical operatic group, the level of singers’ capacity must be measured thoroughly. There are enough too many classical operatic fans who hate Il Divo for what they said as the destroyer to the true classical opera, I just don’t wish to see them coming here and laugh to see Wikipedia would classify the pop singer as a Tenor. Listen to his voice, what do you hear? He has a nice-sweet-pop-voice but as we all know that nice-sweet-voice is not a quality to be defined as Tenor. It strikes me hard when I read the article says Sebastien is a French Tenor. He himself never said that as well as other 3 Il Divo’s members and Simon Cowell. I appreciate strong voice singers such as Pavarotti, Carerra including David and Urs. The recognition to be called a Tenor does not come easy. I do not want to amend the article because I rather like to have a discussion and hoping that author would change it him or herself. Jay 01:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * emmm...I not only have the four albums (which I have listened to about one hundred times each during the past two years) and all the dvds but have also seen them live in concert and have watched 100 plus tv interviews where they speak about their voices...trust me, Seb IS a tenor. He sounds like a tenor (his voice is strikingly powerful live; not that sissy soft thing you hear to on cds) and I distinctly recall them saying in several occasions that Il Divo is formed by three tenors and one baritone. Sébastien may not be formally trained as a tenore lirico (in fact, that's not even true anymore, whilst being a member of Il Divo he has been heavily coached to match the vocal quality of the other members of Il Divo) but his vocal range surely does have the register of a tenor. I think that maybe the core of this discussion is an unclear perception of what a "tenor" is. "Tenor" is just one of the classifications of human vocal ranges, whether the individual is trained in bel canto or not is a whole different story. For example, Jim Morrison wasn't trained lyrically but it's common knowledge that he was a baritone (you can look it up in his bio right here at Wikipedia).Rosa 16:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, in the Encore DVD, Urs (or David) says that if Sebastien had been trained, he would have made a great tenor, since he reaches the higher notes easier than the former. If you're interested, I can give you the exact quote. But there you have it, from the Il Divo member himself: Sebastien Izambard is a tenor, or could be a tenor (perhaps?).Pristine 11:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Pristine, I agree with you and Rosa. It's just that he hasn’t prove that while singing and before he could prove it, his ability can be doubted. He could be and could not be a tenor, as you said (probably). His singing voice is a bit "sissy" compared to when he talks. How can I call that a Tenor? Although vocal range is the primary characteristic which defines a tenor, but it is not it.  Sebestian voice probably  falls into a tenor’s vocal range but I am sure almost all pop classical or operatic classical fans expect for something beyond the vocal range.  We recognize the true tenors that have the capability to sing high notes and falsetto in a deep and strong vocal (in other words manly aka masculine voice). I enjoy listening to Il Divo's CD, truly!! I have to admit that I am one of the Il Divo’s fan. I sing their songs most all the times but I don’t enjoy singing Sebastien’s part at all. I usually sings his part in “David's” way, if you know what I mean :))) Well.. I dont know, I probably have problem recognizing him as a Tenor because of his singing voice, too soft and too sweet if I may say. - Jay 13:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh ok, Jay. Well, if it helps, in Sebatien's biography on the the Ancora version of Il Divo's website (ie. the old website), the web people didn't specifically classify his voice as tenor, as they did for Urs and David (and obviously Carlos was classified as baritone). Instead, they put his voice down as "vox populi" and I guess, since we'll never really know if Sebastien is really a tenor since he hasn't proven it or hasn't been trained, we can just stick to saying he is "vox populi". If that helps.Pristine 01:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I think I got it. In "Romancing the World: A Biography of Il Divo", author Allegra Rossi writes of Sébastien, "A tenor in pitch, Sébastien's voice is the 'vox populi'--the pop singer, the popular voice--of the group." There, problem solved. Mmm, will add it to the article, later...unless someone would like to do it? :D Pristine 09:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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Hi Rosa... just deleting my old question as you definitely don't need it here any more! Just thought I'd pop in and say this page keeps getting better and better, THANK YOU! :-) I'm making sure the boys are listed in all the correct pages (did you know there's a page for French male singers? And now the pages for tenors and baritones link to the guys' pages individually) for fun. Hang in there! My only question would be if you really think they're an Italian musical group... I would take that, offhand, to mean that they're actually Italians singing predominantly Italian music... Anyone else? Anyway, cheers! Danypo

Someone definitely needs to beef up this page a bit.. Also does anyone know what "il divo" means??
 * It means they're an ill (sickly) version of Devo. The spelling alterations are just a facet of pop band names that they give themselves for distinction; e.g. 'N Sync, trapt, staind. They're named after devo because devo means devolution; they're ill because they're an even sicker expression of the devolution of music into shit than devo. Voila, "il divo" 67.5.157.72 05:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * i wonder what your smoking.Nnfolz 06:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL Rosa 02:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh. I mis-heard the announcement on yesterday's "Dancin' with the Stars" episode that il Divo would be performing on tonight's show, and thought, "oh wow, awesome; _Devo_ will be on the show tonight! That's going to be totally hilarious." Sigh. Maybe next season... -- John Callender 18:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm the author of this article. I already wrote the definition of Il Divo. Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by "beef up"? Also, please write four "~" at the end of your message so that there isn't any confussion about your identity.Rosameliamartinez 01:07, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


 * It's a great article. I assumed that it was 100% lifted from PR material, so I'm impressed that you're the author. As to the other comments above, some people like to make fun of this type of music because it's considered "light". But who cares? Let them listen to their noise. Jake b 05:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It was a bit challenging to put all the info. I had available about Il Divo into one coherent article at Wikipedia so thanks for acknowledging my work :) Following Wikipedia's policy on No original research Articles by which articles may not contain any unpublished theories, data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas, the material I used for the Il Divo articles has been previously released in bits and pieces in dozens of magazines, TV interviews, posts made by the singers themselves at their forum etc. during the last year and a half. The Il Divo articles at Wikipedia haven't been "100% lifted" from anywhere though, as that would certainly violate copyright. I'm a bit concerned with the lack of sources in this article though; the thing is, while at their official forum it's rather easy to find loads of extra info. on this musical group from videos and mag articles scaned by fans all over the world, the fans generally aren't concerned with quoting reputable sources ...and let's face it, Il Divo is a pop band, it's not as if they have an article in the Encyclopædia Britannica. Rosa 18:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, I think I got it. In "Romancing the World: A Biography of Il Divo", author Allegra Rossi writes of Sébastien, "A tenor in pitch, Sébastien's voice is the 'vox populi'--the pop singer, the popular voice--of the group." There, problem solved. Mmm, will add it to the article, later...unless someone would like to do it? :D Pristine 09:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Il Divo Management contact details
Hi there, I am trying to find out the contact details for Il Divo Management. Does anyone know if the management is Syco Music or BMG? And would anyone be able to help point me in the right direction for contact details with regards to inquiring about booking a private concert. Thankyou Melanie 4-12-05

Hello, maybe this will help:

Sony BMG Music Entertainment UK ltd.

Bedford House

69-79 Fullham High Street

London

Rosameliamartinez 18:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

"...looked like handsome Armani models"? Give me a break...

It's true, that's what the search was aiming for, that's a fact; independently of my or your opinion. Rosameliamartinez 18:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

IL DIVO userbox
For all wikidivas out there, I'm sure you'll like to include this box in your userpage :D Just type User:UBX/ILDIVO Adiós Rosameliamartinez 08:56, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

vandalism
just thought i'd say there is vandalism, some one renamed a section YOUR MOM and I don't know how to fix it.


 * Thanks for the warning...it has already been reverted.Rosa 21:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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Promo or encyclopedia article?
Pretty clearly a promo planted in Wikipedia. --Wetman 19:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed and tagged. SovietCanuck —Preceding comment was added at 06:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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Userboxes
i got bored today so i made a few

Photo ID seems incorrect
I believe the singer second from left in the photo is Carlos Marín, not Ferando Lugo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredewins (talk • contribs) 04:11, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Lip-syncing
I was wondering if we should add more info regarding Il Divo lip-syncing on DVDs of concerts. As this is not a teen boy band, I think it's important to make this an issue. On the other hand, there is no statement on the product that it's a live performace, it's just that you would expect a live performance from an opera singers.

I haven't been to their live concert yet, but "At The Coliseum" and "Encore" both appear to be fake live performances, exibiting bad lip syncinc. I'm curious if someone has noticed lip-syncing at live concerts?

--Be9em0t (talk) 06:05, 20 January 2012 (UTC)