Talk:Ilmatar

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Should this really be speedy deleted? Assuming it's true and the other references in the article can be Wikified, I don't know why it can't work as a stub. Put it on VfD if you don't like it, but it doesn't strike me as a candidate for speedy deletion (unless you've Googled it and found it's utterly made-up or something). Moncrief 20:51, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC)


 * I checked on google and there was nothing realting to the godess of air. That's why I gave it a Del notice. Ludraman | Talk 21:04, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Ilúvatar

 * His creator of Arda, Ilúvatar, shares similarites with Ilmatar.

Well, the names resemble each other, and both were before anything else. Ilúvatar is like the Christian God and I can't see how he resembles Ilmatar in any other way.--JyriL talk 23:41, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The name of Väinämöinen
The name Väinämöinen doesn't mean "Veen emonen", "the Mother of Water". That was a theory by Daniel Juslenius, but that theory has not been supported by later research. Name Väinämöinen more likely comes from a word väinä, which means wide or deep part of a river.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.128.187.239 (talk) 01:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Ilmatar's origins
Since they've been lacking citation for nearly a year, I've removed the statements asserting that Ilmatar was invented by Lönnrot. (One citation had been provided; however, the link, when I tried it last year, was dead.)

I've searched for evidence to support the removed statements, and months ago I left a message on the Talk page of the person who originally inserted them, as well as to another person who has contributed to this article, but I have not found any evidence nor have I received any replies.

However, on page 138 of University of Helsinki, Department of Comparative Religion professor Juha Pentikäinen's book "Kalevala Mythology" (Indiana University Press, 1999), the Finnish folk tradition and "Kalevala" composition are discussed, and it is written:

"It is also possible that Ukko, as god of air and thunder, may even have been the father of Ilmatar. In that case Lönnrot had, in fact, constructed a version of the poem which included the frequently found mythological theme of primordial incest between two deities who were father and daughter."

This seems to indicate that Ilmatar was not invented by Lönnrot but existed already in folk poetry. If anyone finds evidence otherwise, please add it to the article.

Thanks! Peer Gynt (talk) 00:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)