Talk:Immigration detention in the United States

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US Citizens in Immigration Detention
I will admit at the outset I do not like ICE and I did not like INS, their predecessor organization. I have had problems with them and have found them to be cowboys. I have done my very best with this addition to be as impartial as I can and have documented anything I put into the section. Please do not delete it out of hand, but if you can make it better then by all means do so. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.103.35.72 (talk) 18:37, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

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Immigration detention in the US began earlier than the 1980s. It began in the 1890s, with immigration centers like Ellis Island and later Angel Island.

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Wikipedia quality issues in article to be fixed
The tone of the article in several places starts to turn essay-like and seems to stray from a neutral point of view. I understand the reason for this; the article is about a very contentious subject with a lot of human emotion involved (See WP:FORUM). However, the purpose of Wikipedia is to provide a reference work and part of that is maintaining specific standards which can be found in the policies and guidelines WP:PG.

Good style in this article is:

(From: "Deportation") "Deportation occurs after undocumented residents, are brought before an immigration judge in removal proceedings, and are issued a warrant of removal, or have prior orders of deportation/removal re-instated. Removal proceedings are conducted by the Department of Justice-Executive Office for Immigration Review."

The tone of this portion is good, but this particular section lacks citation. However, it links to another article that may contain the appropriate citation.

Style that could be improved, for instance:

(From: "Detention Process & Its Collateral Damage")

The enforced detention procedure for unauthorized individuals is a major contribution to the psychological stress that children and family members with an immigrant relative endure. Generally, during the detention process, the individuals are not released pending the deportation hearing. Instead the deportees are forced to stay in immigration detention as they await the deportation hearing. This results in a lack of communication with family and the inability to prepare for childcare. Studies indicate that due to the established detention process, children are placed in the care of others without any information about the whereabouts or conditions of their parents. Children who experience the sudden "disappearance" of a parent undergo severe stress due to the uncertainty. The detention process is not only a painful situation for the detainees but it also poses psychological stress for their children and families. "Studies make it evident that the immigration policies that deal with the detention procedure, fail to address the crucial question; what occurs with children whose parent has been detained? The collateral damage of this procedure is underestimated and disregarded. Specifically, immigration policies and laws disregards this issue based on the assumption that families will remain united whether or not parents are deported. Realistically, statistical evidence demonstrates that when a parent is detained or deported, children are relegated to foster care and family separation can potentially carry on for extended periods. Predominantly, the Juvenile Dependency Court terminates parental rights while children are under foster care. Due to this children forgo the possibility of ever seeing their parents again. According to The Applied Research Center (ARC) children are reunited with their deported parents solely if foreign consulates get involved in the case. Yet most welfare departments purposely fail to contact a foreign consultant once they have custody over the child."

"The process of detention negatively affects children resulting in psychological and mental health consequences. Overall, immigration policies and laws cause detrimental impacts on the lives of children and families. Distinctively the detention process is the initial realization of the damaging pain a family lives through. The detention procedure is mischievously conducted to shatter families. It keeps detainees in isolation from their children and families. Immigration detention puts an extended amount of children in foster care and insinuates the possibility of parents losing their children forever. The detention process is a horrifying experience for the detainees and also enacts a destructive impact on children. [41][42]"

This passage has essay-like writing "Studies make it evident that the immigration policies that deal with the detention procedure, fail to address the crucial question; what occurs with children whose parent has been detained?" which is not encyclopedic in tone. As I cited inline, the term "Studies" is a potential weasel word in this usage WP:WEASEL.

Further we have this section:

(From: "International Human Rights Violations") "Immigrant Detention in the United States: Violations of International Human Rights Law is a paper published on Human Rights Brief that investigates how the practice of detention violates international law within sectors previously outlined. Please direct your attention to this study to see reports by international political organizations, legal advocacy groups, and personal accounts from detainees' experience. Given the United States impact on global affairs, implications of its violations to such international legal standards must be recognized. If detention centers continue to be run without the proper oversight, where officials are not held accountable to the standards of international and human rights law, it is likely that such violations will continue. International human rights laws shed light on the shortcomings of the current practice of detention centers, thus the United States must begin to look for alternatives that are in accordance with international human rights standards.[53]"

"Please direct your attention to this study to see reports by international political organizations, legal advocacy groups, and personal accounts from detainees' experience." is written towards a second-person (the reader). WP:TONE

That particular section, as of this writing, contains 6 paragraphs; the one identified above is the only one containing any inline citations. See WP:OR regarding original research, which was flagged on that section.

I just wanted to make it clear that my flagging on this article was aimed at having the style of this article cleaned up, especially in light of the fact that the subject matter is the focus of a current event (as of June 2018). This is not a specific criticism of the point of view expressed (personally, I do find some of these practices repugnant, but the talk page is for discussing the article, not the subject), except that it starts to read more like advocacy for people subject to this detention regime, which is not the intent of Wikipedia and violates WP:NPOV.

The version of the article I was reading was [], for reference. 71.177.158.100 (talk) 07:25, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Daily transgender ICE detainees?
A reader ticket:2019080810003692 express skepticism about a claim in this article. Specifically, the claim:

The claim is supported by a source. I had difficulty accessing the source when I simply clicked on it, so I will repeat it here.

The source does indeed include this sentence:

65 detentions a day means almost 24,000 a year. This seems difficult to believe.

I took a look at a recent ICE report. (caution: I haven't looked at their reports before and I've only just glanced at it so there's a possibility I'm picking off the wrong numbers.) The report includes arrest counts but also includes detentions:

If there are 24,000 transgender women detained in a year, and 396,000 total detentions, that means almost 6% of all detentions were transgender women. That seems difficult to believe.

The same article also states:

80,000 detainees a day means 29 million in a year. That doesn't seem plausible.

I have serious concerns about whether this source is accurate.

The ideal situation would be that someone find a more reputable source to confirm the number of transgender detainees on a daily basis. If it confirms this number fine, if it produces a different value, the statement should be changed, but if no good documentation can be found I think this sentence should be removed. S Philbrick (Talk)  12:09, 8 August 2019 (UTC)


 * It looks like in a more recent Vice article they reached out to ICE, who confirmed through a spokesperson that in FY 2018 they held an average of 68 transgender individuals. (I'm assuming Vice reached out to ICE to get the quote because it doesn't pop up anywhere else on the web.) I think the confusion here is whether they are saying they placed that many people in detention per day, or whether they had that many people in detention on any given day. I'm guessing it's the latter, since ICE does seem to mention the detention population using the "average daily population metric," but it might require further research. Seems like there should definitely be a change, both to update the number and re-word it to make clear that this isn't X many people being placed into detention every day. Something like "There is also an average of XX transgender women in ICE detention on any given day." TylerRDavis (talk) 20:10, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

By definition
By actual dictionary definition, these are concentration camps, why are we avoiding the use of the term here? It's only grammatically correct. Sophiepangal997 (talk) 09:11, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

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