Talk:Imperial vicar

Imperial Vicars in Italy and Arles
It'd be nice to discuss the institution of imperial vicar as it existed in Italy and Arles. My understanding, for instance, is that the kings of Spain were imperial vicars in Italy during the time when they controlled the duchy of Milan. This kind of information would be useful. john k (talk) 22:21, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

As also were the Dukes of Savoy.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 17:31, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I've done a research. The King of Spain was not the overall "Imperial vicar of Italy". Following Charles' partition of the Habsburg Empire of 1556 (Spain to Philip, HRE to Ferdinand), the title was expected to be given to Philip by Ferdinand according to a Family contract signed in 1551. However, Emperor Ferdinand denied it with a document dated 1558 and didn't maintain the promise. Ib Imperial Italy, the King of Spain was a vicar (what i mean here is that he held HRE territory, however i don't know if it's a correct terminology) only for the states of Lombardy (where he was Duke of Milan)..and Siena until it was partitioned in 1557 between Spanish Naples and the Duchy of Florence. Spanish kings after Philip continued to held Milan until 1700, but it wasn't the Duke of Milan that held the Imperial vicarship of Italy.


 * https://books.google.it/books?id=r1-gBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA132&dq=Philip+II+imperial+vicar+in+Italy+1558&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWkcuztYDmAhVO-6QKHcgLAsMQ6AEIMDAB#v=onepage&q=Philip%20II%20imperial%20vicar%20in%20Italy%201558&f=false


 * https://books.google.it/books?id=3IKVDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA659&dq=Philip+II+imperial+vicar+in+Italy+1558&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWkcuztYDmAhVO-6QKHcgLAsMQ6AEIKDAA


 * https://books.google.it/books?id=LPp63EKb9moC&pg=PA916&dq=Braudel+imperial+vicar+Italy&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwinu-OdtoDmAhUDqaQKHcYVBEsQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Braudel%20imperial%20vicar%20Italy&f=false

It was the Duke of Savoy, who recovered its state in 1559, that maintained the position of Imperial vicar of Italy. But another problem is that the Duke of Tuscany was eventually recognized as a Granduke by the Pope and shortly after by the Emperor, thus creating doubts wheter it was Duke of Savoy or the Granduke of Tuscany the privileged italian title.Barjimoa (talk) 14:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Henry III, Margrave of Meissen (c. 1215-1288)
I note that [| Henry III, Margrave of Meissen] is also shown as being Count Palatine of Saxony during his lifetime. So could the list be extended to include earlier Count Palatines of Saxony? --Observer6 (talk) 15:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC)