Talk:Indictment and arrest of Augusto Pinochet

Title
I think "Arrest and trial of Augusto Pinochet" sounds better than the current title. I can't really put my finger on why, though. Any thoughts? - O bli (Talk) ? 18:56, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe, I don't know, but in any case, it should be "trials" (plural form) &mdash; even his "arrest" could be said to be plural, except if the title is to be "Pinochet's 1998 arrest and subsequent trials". Tazmaniacs 20:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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Free encyclopedic public domain source (CRS report)
I'm adding Congress's CRS reports to their relevant talk pages, since they're so thorough and you can just copy-and-cite the content ... here's yours:

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Universal Jurisdiction
I doubt that the Pinochet case falls under the subject of "Universal Jurisdiction". As far as I know - and for the case of the Spanish investigations stated in this article - the indictments were based on the fact that nationals of the countries demanding extradition were victims of the indicted crimes. Jurisdiction in these cases is not "universal" but national. Universal jurisdiction exists today only for a certain number of cases and means that persons can be accused for crimes without links to the investigating country. That was not the case for the Pinochet investigations. Also the House of Lords ruled that it could only decide on the extradition on the grounds of crimes committed after the Criminal Justice Act of 1988 implemented the Convention against Torture into British law. This does not mean that Great Britain would assume jurisdiction over Pinochet but only that on the basis of reciprocity the extradition allowed. Extradition usually requires that the crimes indicted are punishable in the demanding as well as in the extraditing country. Therefore I suggest that the Pinochet case be more clearly separated from the term of "Universal Jurisdiction", which should only apply to cases where criminal prosecution is internationally allowed without a link to the investigating country.

Duesseljan (talk) 23:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Why trial in the title?
There was no trial, so why is the article called "...and trial" ? Victor Yus (talk) 15:08, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No explanation, so I'm going to change it to Indictment and arrest.... If anyone has a better idea, then go ahead. Victor Yus (talk) 14:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Depose?
i know neither the nationality of those who have contributed to this article, nor of the use of the term in other nations, but in american jurisprudence, the use of the word 'depose' to mean to enter any sort of filing is simply the wrong word. Depose has an entirely different meaning here. i am happy to go with this if it is the common usage elsewhere. educate me.Toyokuni3 (talk) 05:52, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

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Unattributed translations
While the terms translated or attributed do not appear in any edit summary between the creation of this article in 2006 and version 864560603 today, the article appears to have traces of having been translated from French or Spanish.

A bit of history: article Indictment and arrest of Augusto Pinochet was split from main article Augusto Pinochet in 2006. That version, at 10kb, has no whiff of being a translation. By the current version at 35k, portions of the lead and body have traces of translated feel from French: unexpected plurals ("medical expertises"), expressions of time before D.O. ("withdrew for a time its ambassador", "ruled, in March 2000, to set free Pinochet"). In other cases, there is unusual word choice: ("Guzmán advanced the charge of kidnapping", "was suffering from a "light dementia", "case did not apply itself to", "Pinochet's immunity was set off by the Appeal Court") which could come from French or Spanish.

While it would be good to improve the wording to a natural, and more standard English, that is merely a nice-to-have since the current version is understandable. However, attribution is a legal requirement per WP:CWW, so that is a must-have. Mathglot (talk) 23:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Mathglot (talk) 02:13, 19 November 2018 (UTC)