Talk:Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts/Archive 5

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2019 standoff
Need to update section about F-16 downing claim: After Pakistan F-16 counting, Indian media reported that a U.S. Defense Department spokesman said he was unaware of any investigation. The Pentagon, like the State Department, has yet to issue a public statement on the F-16 count, but there have been no counter-leaks contradicting the Foreign Policy report. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/17/did-india-shoot-down-pakistani-f-back-february-this-just-became-big-deal/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5f52bd03fa49

Also, the sourse doesn't say that Pentagon "rejected", it's "not aware", totally different statements. It needs to be changed.

Besides, Indian media attempted to show proof of shooting down of F-16 by displaying pictures of wreckage of IAF Mig-21 (which was shot down in Pakistan on 27 February) and claiming that it was the wreckage of F-16. https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest-of-world/2019/03/02/falcon-vs-bison-verifying-a-mig-21-wreck/

So, as for today, only one (MiG-21) of three claimed fighter jets is proved to be shooted down during 2019 border clashes. KiL92 (talk) 00:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 December 2019
Please add the following to the "Indo-Pak war of 1971" section:

Thank you. 58.182.172.95 (talk) 16:26, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See WP:OVERLINK. These are all already linked from the two articles linked in the headnote and having seven headnotes for one subsection is highly distracting. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:46, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Basic Grammar Problems / Biased Language
One - The first sentence of this article is "Since [Statement1]. [Therefore] [Statement2]." This is technically incorrect English, and it is likely to be unrecognizable to native English speakers. This ought to be "Since [statement1], [therefore] [statement2]," or specifically, this -- "Since the partition of British India in 1947 and creation of dominions of India and Pakistan. The two countries have been involved in a number of wars, conflicts and military stand-offs." should be "Since the partition of British India in 1947 and creation of dominions of India and Pakistan, the two countries have been involved in a number of wars, conflicts and military stand-offs." A "Since...x," statement must always conclude with "[therefore] y." before the next sentence terminator.

Two - "but gifted it back to Pakistan in the Simla Agreement of 1972" A military conflict in which a territory is taken, and then relinquished, after a diplomatic treaty has taken effect, is almost never called a "gift", which is strongly biased language. It is definitely, very much so called a "return", so, I suggest "but returned it back".

Thank you to all who have added sources to this rather difficult-to-analyze topic, especially when looking for unbiased facts. However, I have found a number of areas where the language and insinuation appears biased, while the underlying facts of those statements are not (for instance, see above). The above two changes I believe are 100% unbiased and acceptable by Wikipedia standards. I will post further comments if I notice any further difficulties in the issue of biased language. Again, thank you all for a well-cited article. Uprisingengineer (talk) 02:43, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 January 2020
It will be Siachen Suvendu kumar 1971 (talk) 10:19, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌. Please specify your request in the format "Change X to Y". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

First two sentences
There should not be a full stop but a comma or even nothing. Not: Since the partition of British India in 1947 and creation of dominions of India and Pakistan. The two countries have been involved in a number of wars, conflicts and military stand-offs But Since the partition of British India in 1947 and creation of dominions of India and Pakistan, the two countries have been involved in a number of wars, conflicts and military stand-offs or Since the partition of British India in 1947 and creation of dominions of India and Pakistan the two countries have been involved in a number of wars, conflicts and military stand-offs.
 * ✅. Thanks for pointing it out. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:34, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 May 2020
Update the "2019 standoff" section. The statement: "The Pentagon rejected the magazine reports of any count ever conducted" isn't correct, it must be changed. I suggest this: "Indian newspaper, Hindustan Times, reported that United States Department of Defense claimed that he was "not aware" of any such investigation that was conducted." KiL92 (talk) 23:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I changed it to reflect more accurately what the source said, if you want to change the wording to specifically your suggestion just put in another edit request. Zoozaz1 (talk) 00:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, please add Washington Post statement that "like Pentagon, the State Department has yet to issue any public statement on F-16 count, but there have been no counter-leaks contradicting the Foreign Policy report." I asked adding this earlier but was ignored. KiL92 (talk) 20:59, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * That sentence is directly copied from the story, see WP:COPYVIO Zoozaz1 (talk) 19:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I know the citation rule. I wanted to ask you (or another experienced member) to add the Washington Post source using your words. KiL92 (talk) 20:59, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I added the information to the article. Zoozaz1 (talk) 16:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Once again...
Someone removed the Washington Post statement and returned the biased wording. The Pentagon DIDN'T reject the "counting" and made no official statements, it makes a point! So, if you think that the text is redundant, then delete the details in general. It will be sufficient to indicate that only one aircraft has been reliably downed, instead of all those speculations. KiL92 (talk) 22:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 May 2022
Hello the Wiki article moderators, I am a South Asian person from Pakistan and i want access to the article editing not because of that i want to add information but because i want to edit the infobox article for a minor edit.

Thank you for reading. NameIsShaheer (talk) 09:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 February 2023
Over here, remove the line claiming this was the largest surrender since world war 2, since this isn't mentioned in the cited source and is merely Indian propaganda. H&#38;K G3A3 (talk) 13:17, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Lightoil (talk) 02:01, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Add "1958 East Pakistan–India border skirmish
Add this with the others skirmish LeUnOis (talk) 11:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Add something also see page of indo pak conflict
i want to add List of cross LOC military operations article in the also see page of India Pakistan conflict Pervezmusk. (talk) 12:18, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: India in Global Studies
— Assignment last updated by Adirrao (talk) 22:06, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Fix typo in background section
I believe the caption of the first image in this section should read 'Ceylon' rather than 'Ceyon'. Mjocc (talk) 16:41, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 October 2023
Typo under Background - Ceyon to Ceylon Linhart.stephen (talk) 08:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 17:00, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 December 2023
Please add following to the See also section

Thank you. 119.74.238.54 (talk) 01:30, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * India-Pakistan battles
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The suggested link is a redirect to a specific battle. Per WP:EASTEREGG these types of links should not obfuscate where they will take the reader. Spintendo  00:26, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 February 2024
CHANGE status           = Ongoing TO status           = Ongoing Waonderer (talk) 12:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Not sure why it was orange. If that was due to prior consensus, any extended confirmed editor is free to change it back, and any non extended confirmed editor can ping me with a link to the consensus. GrayStorm(Talk&#124;Contributions) 03:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)