Talk:Infrared sauna

Should this article be combined with main sauna article? N8dawg (talk) 07:43, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

suggested external link
I've gotten really into infrared since a successful fight with cancer. A good (non sales) link explaining this is www.saunahealing.com [that link is a dead link as of 7 March 2021 and is up for sale]

Such a small world, I have been struggling with severe eximia for the last 4 years. I purchased an infrared sauna 4 months ago and already am making more progress than I did the last 4 years. So I'd like to contribute another good "non-sales" link if you need a 5 minute buyers guide is http://www.saunabuyersguide.info [that link is also a dead link as of 7 March 2021 and is also up for sale], it gave me a good idea of what to buy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.177.176 (talk) 05:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Tim Davids has a lot of great articles on infrared saunas and detoxing. He referenced a Coastal Sauna in one of his articles but I'm not sure if he uses those in his practice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.156.82 (talk) 03:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to add this link to the infrared saunas page, and want to show it to you all first for approval/discussion. It is educational, and is not covered within the wiki page, so I feel it is a valid link: http://www.saunaandspascene.com/infraredsaunasprebuilt.html I feel it should be linked as How to setup your own infrared sauna at home

D 9Dec2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.213.14 (talk) 07:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

adding
OK in the absence of any feedback to the negative I'm adding the link now —Preceding unsigned comment added by IDarreni (talk • contribs) 01:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

External Link
I feel that the external link on this page is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt at self-promotion, and is not in keeping with standard wiki guidelines of non-commercialism.

The list of companies on the main page is nearly just as bad, in my opinion.

Let's keep Wikipedia non-commercial. What do you say? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.128.28 (talk) 08:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

response re external link
The external link in question is educational and useful to people interested in infrared saunas. Also, the info in the article is not in the wiki article. The whole site in question is an info based site and not a sales site -  the site hosting the article isn't directly selling any products. It seems to be within wiki guidelines.

The list of manufacturers within the wiki article does seem like a sales promo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IDarreni (talk • contribs) 12:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've removed it because the article has very little information whatsoever, is highly promotional, and is heavy with advertising. See WP:EL, WP:SPAM, and WP:NOT. --Ronz (talk) 00:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

You guys are unhelpful. I am trying to find and buy one and you don't want anyone promoting their business. The presumption is people are too stupid to weed out the good from the bad. Does that make wikipedia readers numbskulls? For heaven's sake.. now I have to go look for the SAME LIST you deleted on google. Thanks, guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.50.214 (talk) 01:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a catalogue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.99.133.32 (talk) 19:45, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Health Hazards
Has anyone researched health hazards of infrared saunas related to the eyes/testicles? If in fact infrared heats to depths beyond 1 1/2 inches, what are the effects of heating our eyes/testicles?65.102.96.125 (talk) 04:14, 15 December 2007 (UTC)dd

response to Health Hazards
none that I know of, however it is generally understood that prolonged time in any "heated" environment can lower a mans testosterone production, at least temporarily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IDarreni (talk • contribs) 07:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Other potential Health Hazards
What about people afflicted with various types of melanoma? Does infrared wavelengths cause or have any impact on skin cancers? [RWM] 14 April 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.80.15.63 (talk) 20:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

article should be tagged as needing references
IMO this article needs work. For example, there is a reference to "researchers at the Mayo Clinic..." but the reference link only takes you to the page on The Mayo Clinic! I'd like to take some comfort that the evidence of reduction of "toxins" by infrared heat has objective evidence behind it. Also, there is no evidence I am aware of that manmade toxins are any different than "natural" toxins. You can poison yourself just as easily with both, as was well known since the dawn of humankindPeter Frishauf (talk) 17:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed - this article is mostly new age garbage, the usual unsubstantiated claims about "removing toxins from the body." Also look at the image, they term far-infrared the "light of life!" The majority of this article is obviously commercial, I agree with the comments above. Unless someone can produce a real citation of a scientific study backing any of this up, I suggest the article be scaled back to a conceptual outline of the technology. Cophus (talk) 28 Nov 2008 —Preceding undated comment was added at 04:44, 29 November 2008 (UTC).
 * Almost a year later and it still needs more and better refs, so I added the tag. --Ronz (talk) 20:39, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Dubious and promotional information
Re my revert, I thought that some of the other editors had commented when removing the same and similar information. Sadly, I'm the only editor making any comments in the edit summaries. --Ronz (talk) 20:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Is there a possibility that infrared heat at 120 degrees, for an extended amount of time (steady, not off and on), can change your body's ability to feel heat? My husband can't stand the air conditioner or a fan going inside the house any longer. I have never been in the sauna, and I am dying from the inside heat here in AZ. Vera —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.121.7.220 (talk) 00:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

calorie expenditure
So I see the debunkers can come here and make their own unsubstantiated claims. If you have ever used an infrared sauna you know your metabolism amps up and you sweat profusely as your body attempts to cool itself. Both of these actions require energy. Energy equals calories. Your claim that using the sauna doesn't increase calorie burn is actually more offensive than all of those outlandish claims the manufacturers themselves make. You are flat out wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.10.213 (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

where is the editors evidence that ir saunas dont increase calorie burn aside from just talking and writing what he believes from his own imagination of anatomy and physiology? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.94.157 (talk) 12:39, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I would also like to see the fact added that weight loss will occur in an ir sauna if you drop a deuce in there. And that weight loss will rely on what the stool size is, which I believe there will be a correlation to what was eaten the night before. Furthermore, if one was to back out a nugget or two in the ir sauna, the fumes it produces could be considered a health hazard. Therefore I would also like to see the health hazard section updated. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:44B8:610D:A500:68C5:4FDC:D39F:54C2 (talk) 11:49, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

= Chronic Fatigue Syndrome = Why would people with CFS *need* to sweat, a need that can be satisfied by an infrared sauna? Citation needed for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.99.133.32 (talk) 19:43, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Potential references
Sources:
 * Miyata, M., Kihara, T., Kubozono, T., et al. (2008). Beneficial effects of Waon therapy on patients with chronic heart failure. Results of a prospective multicenter study. J. Cardiol, 52(2):79-85.
 * Mussivand, T., Alshaer, H., Haddad, H., et al. (2008). Thermal therapy: a viable adjunct in the treatment of heart failure? Congestive Heart Fai, 14(4):180-6.
 * 3. Kihara, T., Biro, S., Ikeda, Y., et al. (2004). Effects of repeated sauna treatment on ventricular arrhythmis in patients with chronic heart failure. Circ J, 68(12):1146-51.
 * 4. Masuda, A., Miyata, M., et al. (2004). Repeated sauna therapy reduces urinary 8-epi-prostaglandin F(2alpha). Jpn Heart J, 45(2):297-303.
 * 5. Imamura, M., Biro, S., Kihara, T., et al. (2001). Repeated thermal therapy improves impaired vascular endothelial function in patients with coronary risk factors. J Am Coll Cardiol, 38(4):1083-8.
 * 6. Masuda, A., Munemoto, T., Tei, C. (2007). A new treatment: thermal therapy for chronic fatigue syndrome. Nippon Rinsho, 65(6):1093-8.
 * 7. Masuda, A., Kihara, T., Fukudome, T., et al. (2005). The effects of repeated thermal therapy for two patients with chronic fatigue syndrome. J. Psychosom Res, 58(4):383-7.
 * 8. Matsushita, K., Masuda, A., Tei, C. (2008). Efficacy of Waon therapy for fibromyalgia. Intern Med, 47(16):1473-6.
 * 9. Masuda, A., Nakazato, M., et al. (2005). Repeated thermal therapy dimishes appetite loss and subjective complaints in mildly depressed patients. Psychosom Med, 67(4):643-7.
 * 10. Masuda, A., Koga, Y., et al. (2005). The effects of repeated thermal therapy for patients with chronic pain. Psychother Psychosom, 74(5):288-94.
 * 11. Tei, C., Orihara, FK., Fukudome, T. (2007). Remarkable efficacy of thermal therapy for Sjogren syndrome. J Cardiol, 49(5):217-9.
 * 12. Oosterveld, FG., Rasker, JJ., Floors, M., et al. (2009). Infrared sauna in patients with rheumatoid arthritis and ankylosing spondylitis. A pilot study showing good tolerance, short-term improvement of pain and stiffness, and a trend towards long-term beneficial effects. Clin Rheumatol, 28(1):29-34.

I've moved these from the article as they were added with no changes in content and without any other indication they verify anything. At a glance, they appear to be primary research studies. If so, they probably should not be used without a review per WP:MEDRS. --Ronz (talk) 18:34, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Jjalexand (talk) 06:11, 12 January 2017 (UTC) Age Ageing. 2016 Dec 7. [Epub ahead of print] Sauna bathing is inversely associated with dementia and Alzheimer's disease in middle-aged Finnish men. Laukkanen T1, Kunutsor S2, Kauhanen J1, Laukkanen JA1. Author information 1Institute of Public Health and Clinical Nutrition, University of Eastern Finland, Kuopio, Finland. 2School of Clinical Sciences, University of Bristol, Bristol, UK

Given the WP:FRINGE claims made about the saunas, http://www.skepdic.com/detox.html#infrared might be a useful source as well. --Ronz (talk) 02:10, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Substantial rewrite of page
I've rewritten and expanded this page to include new references and content. Unfortunately almost all the references used were not WP:RS and the majority of medical claims were not WP:MEDRS. I believe the article now meets the guidelines to remove the "addtional citations required" tag so I've done that too.OneUpOnUs (talk) 04:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems fine for the MEDRS thanks (apart from one source, which I trimmed). Changing citation style without agreement can upset people. Alexbrn (talk) 05:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Alexbrn I will keep the citation issue in mind. Could you help me understand the issue with the source re MEDRS, was it just not specific enough? OneUpOnUs (talk) 06:25, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It was in Evidence-Based Complementary and Alternative Medicine, one of the most notorious journals on the planet. In general, see WP:CITEWATCH for sources to suspect. Alexbrn (talk) 06:29, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Understood, with thanks OneUpOnUs (talk) 06:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)