Talk:International Phonetic Alphabet

General classification of consonants and vowels of speech
People of all races and nationalities have the same structure of the entire body, including the speech apparatus and the same structure of the nervous system. Therefore, the sounds of speech must be combined into a single classification of consonant and vowel sounds-signs of speech-thinking-worldview-ideology-faith.

Such a classification (6 types in each of the 5 zones of physiologically optimal articulation) has already been developed by the Russian physician Alexander Makeev during 1984-2010 and clarified the details in subsequent years. The result of this long-term scientific work has been published: [http://Общая%20классификация%20согласных%20и%20гласных%20звуков-знаков%20речи-мышления Общая классификация согласных и гласных звуков-знаков речи-мышления / А.К. Макеев // Культурология, искусствоведение и филология: современные взгляды и научные исследования: сб. ст. по материалам XXXIV Международной научно-практической конференции– № 3(30). – М., Изд. «Интернаука», 2020. - 108 с. С. 65-75. ISSN 2541-9870] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex makeyev (talk • contribs) 09:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Overarching diacritic?
At Talk:Circumflex, asked did anyone know of an overarching diacritic. I've just come across this: Would someone explain how the arc is achieved? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I've been trying to reproduce it with MS Word, unsuccessfully so far, but where (ie online or ?) did you come across it? Muleiolenimi (talk) 08:31, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Voiced postalveolar affricate, I guess (no idea how I got there). I see that Wiktionary has it too, maybe they can help? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 17:24, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , I have reposted the question here: I mistakenly posted it at the disambig talk page, which is maybe why no-one responded. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:49, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * See ◌᷍◌. I'll answer on original post. — kwami (talk) 21:32, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * See ◌᷍◌. I'll answer on original post. — kwami (talk) 21:32, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

ʁ is WRONG on every single wikipedia page
Major issue in my opinion. The voiceless uvular fricative [ʁ] is automatically inverted when used on Wikipedia. It is very confusing. On the page of that sound itself, it’s blatantly displayed to be mirrored in in the text but correct in the image.

If you try to edit it, the correct symbol is already there, so it really has to do with weird formatting settings that ordinary users can’t change. 2003:CB:8737:F678:50E3:BC10:8D30:AD2B (talk) 12:53, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about the voiced uvular fricative [ʁ], what do you see? If you don't see an inverted smallcap R, it might be an issue with your device. –Austronesier (talk) 18:30, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It is indeed an issue with their device, the culprit being Apple's San Francisco. The obvious solution is to change the browser's default sans-serif font to something else (not Helvetica, which has a similar bug with ⟨ɶ⟩), or to register an account and set a font for the  class in your personal CSS. Nardog (talk) 18:40, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Add Dental Stops
why aren't they on the table :( 49.182.86.196 (talk) 11:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Because $⟨t, d⟩$ represent dental, alveolar, or postalveolar stops. The lack of border between cells indicates this. Nardog (talk) 04:14, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

About grapheme rotation
Multiview_orthographic_projection Sabrina.ponsi (talk) 23:06, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * What about it? Do you reckon this article could be improved by a link to that one? —Tamfang (talk) 04:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

grapheme ≠ letter
A letter is a grapheme in a grammar - syntaxis and lexicon, cfr. lemma - system, which means that the letter is conventionally defined according to logical-mathemathical rules beyond hearing, phonation, and vision, that is beyond physics. Gnoseological and onthological rules, that is psychological and scientifical observations according to which lexicon, grammar and syntaxis are constructed. Sabrina.ponsi (talk) 23:19, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Do you have in mind a specific improvement to the article? —Tamfang (talk) 04:41, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

order ≠ sequence
A word is a conventional sequence of phonemes and/or graphemes and/or letters.

Cfr. Bijection Sabrina.ponsi (talk) 23:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes? —Tamfang (talk) 04:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

The chart here is different from the official IPA chart. Shouldn't that be pointed out?
At least the consonant chart in this article differs in many ways from the most recent one published in 2005 and shown on the IPA's homepage (apart from insignificant layout changes in the years since then). For example, there are separate rows for sibilant and non-sibilant fricatives and the main difference between the meaning of the signs ɕ and ç is shown as being between the presence and absence of a sibilant quality, rather between an alveolopalatal and palatal place of articulation as in the official chart. Since the readers would naturally assume the chart they see in an article on the IPA will be one endorsed by the International Phonetic Association, shouldn't there be a note saying that this is a modified version that Wikipedia's editors have created? 87.126.21.225 (talk) 12:43, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Wrong transcription in pic
The [p] in "IPA" is unaspirated, e.g. the correct transcription is [aɪ piː eɪ], not [aɪ pʰiː eɪ]. ― Ö S M A N (talk · contribs) 13:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Just about every source I can find indicates that voiceless stops are aspirated word-initially in most English dialects. Do you have a source for your claim? It could ultimately be that you speak a dialect in which this is not the case. AviationFreak💬 18:00, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * P is called [ˈpiː] according to Oxford and Merriam Webster. ― Ö S M A N (talk · contribs) 16:50, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Those dictionaries are both using a broad phonemic level of transcription; they never mark aspiration since English speakers know voiceless stops are always aspirated in this position. The image is using square brackets, with a narrower level of transcription. Umimmak (talk) 16:58, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

"Iconic extensions of standard IPA letters that are implicit in the alphabet"
I've read "Iconic extensions of standard IPA letters that are implicit in the alphabet" three times and still don't know what it means. ("Extensions" in which sense? "Iconic" in which sense? In which alphabet? What does it mean, to be implicit in an alphabet? Is it the extensions or the letters that are implicit?) -- Hoary (talk) 07:58, 23 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The examples should clarify 'iconic extension'. "The" alphabet is the IPA, the topic of this article. — kwami (talk) 11:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Ypsilon as a consonant in Greek
Is it worth mentioning that that's not strictly true? It functions as a consonant in the digraph ⟨αυ⟩ as in "αυτός". — W.andrea (talk) 17:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Removed. — kwami (talk) 10:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism
This page is very deformed on my screen and it has "User:Cheezdeez ON TOP" spammed in the references. I did a quick scroll through the history but couldn’t find when it was done. 2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:25D4:36E8:765A:6396 (talk) 19:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Funny, I don't see it, and have not noticed removal of such a thing. I seem to remember seeing a similar complaint somewhere yesterday; was that you too? —Tamfang (talk) 23:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I guess it was template vandalism. — W.andrea (talk) 17:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Something of the sort, and I gather it has been resolved, and the offender banned. —Tamfang (talk) 03:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Coptic??
I am willing to entertain the possibility that IPA derives some letters from the Coptic alphabet (though the article nowhere says so), but am confident that the Coptic alphabet is not descended from the Romic alphabet. —Tamfang (talk) 03:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Changing example of language where glottal fricatives are actually bare phonation
I think it’s dumb to use the encyclopedia language as an example, and what other languages does the source list? When it’s there, I can make a change to a different language mentioned in the source. 2601:C6:D200:E9B0:81A3:2C7E:31BA:AAB4 (talk) 17:30, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I asked you at Talk:Duodecimal what's dumb about it. Are you prepared to give a meaningful answer this time?  Or are you merely forum-shopping for someone to take your unsupported opinion seriously? —Tamfang (talk) 02:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Same I-don't-like-it-rationale as in Talk:Indo-European languages. It's all natural to use the encyclopedia language (as long as we can extract examples from it) for reasons of maximal familiarity to our readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Austronesier (talk • contribs) 08:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)