Talk:International child abduction in the United States

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I've been working on this article in my sandbox but it's a huge undertaking and, hopefully, moving this to the mainspace will attract additional editors to contribute to it.--Cybermud (talk) 00:59, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

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well you've attracted one ;-)! I did some obvious things (I think) already, but feel the introduction on the US legal system are (although clear) very long; which distracts a bit from the main subject at hand. Shall I try to seriously trim the constitutional relationships part down to those things relevant to child abduction? L.tak (talk) 01:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I have gone through the whole page (except the last section) and was quite impressed by the amount of work going into this article. But I also "tasted" lots of anger on the situation in much of the text. Although we are treating an extremely sensitive matter here I can imagine that. But especially for this type of articles to be valuable they need to show as good as possible where the info comes from and how it was verified. If it is as bad as it is stated here, that will only make the case stronger. I have made a start and hope others will add many inline and specific references. If refs (according to WP:RS can not be found I think we should consider removing those sections for neutrality... L.tak (talk) 18:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad to have another set of eyes look through this and make some changes. A lack of neutral reading presentation always seriously detracts from the impression one gets reading the article.  I wrote a lot of this article very quickly so it's unsurprising to me that the wording was off.  I believe all, or at least most, country sections are somewhat referenced as is, though not inline except for maybe Brazil and Mexico.  That said, all content in those sections, unless referenced elsewhere already (eg w/ Brazil and Mexico,) comes from the various Compliance Reports or the Country specific Abduction Flyer's put together by the US State Dept (whose works are not subject to copyright.)--Cybermud (talk) 21:31, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that clarification. I am not extremely concerned then about copyvios then; although I feel we should always indicate what we copy-paste for clarity... The point is more that thus much of the information is fully based on a single source (the US state department) and we therefore have to be extremely careful in which information to select and showing where it came from. Would it for you be possible to go through it and quote hat was copied (+ref) and reference inline to the sources (info sheets/compliance report of year xxx) so we can warn the reader a bit about the perspective and show them where it came from? ... and I know: that is indeed quite something to ask! L.tak (talk) 07:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually improving the references in those sections to make them inline was something I already planned on doing at some point (hopefully with more diverse sources.) Definitely fair to say that the majority of the content currently in those country sections, barring Brazil and Mexico, came from a single source (whether it was the Compliance Report or the country specific Abduction Flyer it was the US DoS.)  Though it is a particularly reliable source is is also not without its own bias.  In most of the sections I just copy/pasted everything from both items (various reports and flyer if it existed) and then copyedited the content for readability, prose and to remove/summarize duplicate info (many yearly reports duplicated content from other years) so I wouldn't be surprised if a sentence or two got left in verbatim that came from a State Dept. document.

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