Talk:Irrumatio

Sexing
I never heard the word "sexing" anywhere. So if you say "known by the slang terms...", you should really call things by their name and say "fucking".

Yes there is an English equivalent
Like it or not, Irrumatio is "face-fucking". Is it honestly conceivable that the author who wrote that there is no English-language equivalent was unaware of this, or simply too puritanical to write it??

76.22.119.109 (talk) 20:46, 7 January 2011 (UTC)Martin

If a man who performed irrumatio on a woman was an irrumator, what was the name for a woman on the receiving end of irrumatio? 90.209.80.216 (talk) 22:51, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Following English word construction rules... perhaps irrumatee, or "one who is irrumated", which just sounds weird. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * In Latin sexual literature, women are only rarely, if ever, cast as the recipients of irrumatio, which was almost always an act directed aggressively at another man in order to silence or humiliate him. It often appears in the context of revenge fantasy. See Sexuality in ancient Rome for Roman attitudes and behaviors regarding oral sex. I've tried to distinguish Latin irrumatio from the broad English definition of "irrumation" given here. Cynwolfe (talk) 23:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

"Skull fucking"
Okay, I looked up "skull fucking" (don't ask why) and I was redirected here. Skull fucking, from what I've always been told, is when a penis penetrates an eye socket. Irrumatio is not synonymous with skull-fucking, and it doesn't seem appropriate to have skull-fucking redirect here, as it's a specific sexual act. Note this humorous video from the Onion involving skull fucking. The actor in that video refers to it as "ocular penetration," which, in all seriousness, actually sounds like it would be the correct non-vernacular term for this sexual activity. To me, it seems like skull fucking should have its own article, or have a disambiguation page, or redirect to a subordinate part of another applicable article which explains the act of skull fucking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samcashion (talk • contribs) 04:10, March 8, 2012‎ (UTC)

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Forced
Since this article argues that there are two distinct terms in Roman Latin, irrumatio = to force receptive male oral sex, and fellatio = to perform oral sex on a male, I would suggest that the term "forced fellatio" should be used wisely in the article as it mixing up the antique and modern concepts. Maikel (talk) 16:42, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Rumen?
Quote: "There is some conjecture among linguists, as yet unresolved, that this noun may be derived from and an abbreviation of irruminatio and irruminare (Latin, rumen, ruminis, the mouth, throat and gullet, whence 'ruminate', to chew), therefore meaning 'the insertion into, to insert into the mouth or throat'."

I couldn't find the Latin noun "rumen" so some source or reference would be appreciated. Maikel (talk) 16:44, 6 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Lewis -- ISBN 0-19-910205-8 -- has the following;


 * ruminatio -- a chewing of the cud, rumination, thinking over
 * rumino -- (from rumen (gullet)) to chew the cud, ruminate
 * (rumen is not listed separately)


 * irr- -- see inr-
 * which leads us to;


 * inrumatio -- beastly obscenity (sic), Catullus
 * inrumo -- (from in + ruma (breast)), to give suck, abuse obscenely, Catullus


 * Consider also:


 * inrumpo -- to break in, press in, force a way in


 * MPS1992 (talk) 00:56, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

WP:Lead sentence -- defining the act
Maikel, I considered saying this yesterday, but today will do: Regarding your changes to the lead, I think it makes more sense to have the different definitions in the first sentence, like it was before. Why do you think the oral sex definition should come first?

By the way, since this page is on my watchlist, there is no need to WP:Ping me to it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:45, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for asking.
 * The original lead sentence was: Irrumatio is the intercrural sex act of thrusting of the penis into the mouth of a partner, between the thighs, or between the abdomens of two men.
 * This is misleading (false) as the oral sex act or the variant involving abdomens is not intercural.
 * Also the etymology of irrumatio makes it primarily an oral sex act.
 * Also various dictionaries see irrumatio as primarily an act of oral sex. Maikel (talk) 10:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Maikel, thanks for explaining. It would still make more sense to have the other definitions in the first paragraph since irrumatio also refers to intercrural sex. The first sentence also could have been reworded to cover the other definitions. I'll get around to looking at scholarly sources to see how the term is most commonly defined. I think you have a valid point about the oral sex aspect being the primary listing, but I've seen the intercrural sex aspect in a number of sources too. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

A small change suggestion/idea from someone that really doesn't know anything about latin
Essentially I found that I had more success finding "related" terms in Latin rather than finding things based on the English meaning or absolutely unrelated stuff when I used the 'latin-language text' words from the 'Latin obscenity' page rather than anything related to Irrumatio or Fellatio on this page. It basically just made me feel like there may be use in including more "proper" 'latin-language text' versions for the latin words mentioned on the page, or mention more related words altogether somewhere - from what I could tell 'irrŭmātio' at least didn't seem correct, but again I don't know practically anything about the word structuring.

In the process of looking around things I also managed to convince myself that I had found a major error related to the definition of Irrumatio (or fellatio), specifically the roman one and had been writting an extremely convincing argument which was almost finished, but instead it helped me realize I probably only thought so because of something - which I was technically correct about - only really mattered based on what I knew starting out my writing. I was almost finished by the point where I had everything so neatly lined up that there was no room for making similar mistakes again that I realized that what I had been looking to change couldn't be correct if you made sure to look at all the variations and variables possible for the things I was talking about.. or to simplify, I didn't finalize the process of actually writing it down in a convincing (and easily readable) way until I was near the end and had finished most of the thought process about how to write it up :P

In total I spent more than 4 hours writing, and probably half an hour confirming once I started checking around when I realized something was off. At least it was somewhat interesting, since most of the time spent was trying to write it in a as comprehensive, convincing but still extremely easily understood way as possible - it ended up being somewhat of a light psychological thought experiment or something. Anyway, I'll see myself out for now, just in case there was *something* relevant in what I wrote up I saved it to have a look at it later, but I think I just ended up running in circles due to overthinking too much before I had it all laid out. What I mentioned at the top of the post is still potentially relevant, and what I planned to mention here before I dug myself into a hole.


 * During the ten years I was more or less absent from Wikipedia, sourced content pertaining to the Roman cultural concept of irrumatio has been removed. For more on this, see Sexuality in ancient Rome. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:39, 12 July 2023 (UTC)