Talk:Italian aircraft carrier Giuseppe Garibaldi

MM prefix
Is "MM" really a valid prefix? Nearly all of the Google-found refs are to copies of this article, which makes me dubious. We ought to have some kind of authority for using it somewhere. Stan 05:09, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * MM stays for Marina Militare --Jollyroger 12:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

C Prefix
The Italian Navy never used the C prefix for the pennant number, see the official website http://www.marina.difesa.it/unita/portaerei.htm. In the photographs of the ship (example Image:960119-N-7729M-004_screen.jpg) you see only "551". For other units, when the prefix is used, example the De la Penne class destroyers the letter is always painted:  --Il palazzo 14:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Is this the worlds smallest aircraft carrier? Or is it the one the thailand navy operates? Wikipedia should be precise when it comes to contradictions like this.-Ravage. 03.04.07

GG: it or she?
The article seems undecided about genderization? Ekem (talk) 02:04, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Resolved. - Nick Thorne  talk  02:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Ban on aircraft carries
The article states: "The ban was eventually lifted and in 1989". The treaties should be linked and expanded on, perhaps not here but that place should be linked. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 05:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Combat/Operational History
clipped and google translated missing history from wikipedia Italian:

In the summer of 1991 the unit has traveled the United States for the ceremony of the first two aircraft, two TAV-8B two-seat trainer version, by returning to Italy September 24, 1991, with the aircraft that reached Grottaglie Air Base.

In the first half of the nineties the unit took part in operations in the Indian Ocean during the crisis in Somalia. In early 1994 he took part in the mission Ibis II as a command ship of the 25 th Naval Group formed in addition to the Garibaldi, Stromboli from the petrol station, the LPD San ​​Giorgio and San Marco and the frigate Scirocco for the withdrawal of the Italian contingent, which was been involved in Operation Restore Hope.

The return of the mission in the spring of 1994 the unit carried out a new journey in the United States to receive the first three AV-8B + [10] in single-seater, and during a long stay in the United States was shared by the ports of Baltimore, Boston and New York.

After returning to Italy, between 11 January and 23 March 1995, Garibaldi returned to Somalia to take part in the mission Ibis III for the withdrawal of UN peacekeepers from Somalia with the task of command ship of the 26th Group Naval units composed of the same of the previous group except the 25 th Scirocco replaced by Libeccio. From the flight deck of the Garibaldi occasion worked between 5 fighters and AV-8B TAV-8B +, 2 SH-3D, AB-212 NLA 4 and 4 A-129 Mangusta. The crews of naval units were added between 198 paratroopers and cavalry army, 320 and 30 of the San Marco battalion of commandos Comsubin. [2]

From March to June 1997, the Air Group of Garibaldi took part in Operation "New Dawn" (Albania Not Combat Evacuation Operation) with armed aircraft have carried out daily departures from the base of Grottaglie.

In 1999 with the Kosovo war, Italy was committed nell'Allied Force. Fighters Harrier AV-8B II + embarked aboard the Garibaldi, from 13 May to early June 1999, 30 sorties were carried out for 63 hours of flight. The planes have used bombs and Mk 82 GBU-16 missiles and AGM-65 Maverick. The Italian naval force in addition to the aircraft carrier Garibaldi, with its air group, also included the frigate Zeffiro. Garibaldi (foreground) during Operation Enduring Freedom in February 2002.

Following the attacks of 11 September 2001 and the war on terror declared by U.S. President Bush, with Italy's participation in Operation Enduring Freedom, the unit was engaged as a command ship of GRUPNAVIT I, 1 Italian Shipping Group, which also included besides the frigate Zeffiro Garibaldi, the patrol team and the airman supplier in Etna. Set sail from Taranto 18 November 2001, training has worked in the Indian Ocean from December 3, 2001 to March 1 next, returning to Taranto March 18, 2002. During the mission, the AV-8B Harrier unit carried out 288 missions for a total of 860 hours of flight and almost 1500 members of the crews of ships and aircraft of the group who participated in the mission control tasks are carried out, interception / interdiction sea ​​and air support and interdiction aircraft in Afghanistan. Garibaldi in Malaga in 2004.

In 2003 the ship has undergone a complete renovation which has the combined capabilities of C4I, during which the missile launchers were landed and replaced one of Theseus SCLAR rocket launcher, allowing an expansion of the flight deck to starboard aft. They have also been installed in the data system (MCC stands for Maritime Coordination Centre), SATCOM satellite communication system and has been replaced sonar [2].

After the modernization work carried out in 2003 the unit took part in the Atlantic Majestic Eagle exercise held in 2004.

In the summer of 2006, the Navy has been one of the first to intervene in the crisis in Lebanon. [11] participating in the operation and the operation Mimosa '06 Leontes with the San Giusto, San Marco [12] and St. George [13] in the front row along with the frigate Aliseo, the destroyer Durand de la Penne and the aircraft carrier Garibaldi. The ships have landed at the port of Beirut, under the control of the San Marco Regiment, tons of material for the population, field kitchens, ambulances, generators for the production of electricity, inflatable tents, medicines and tons of tons of food for the non-combatant civilian population provided by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Civil Defence, the Italian Red Cross and the UN World Food Programme.

In the course of the '06 Mimosa Durand de la Penne, [14] in practice in Greece, was among the first units to enter the neutral port of Beirut to evacuate nationals and other Europeans to the island of Cyprus with as many as two trips. [15] Subsequently, the battalion intervened San Marco, San Giusto the landing craft that allowed the transport of essential goods for the population to war over the evacuation of other nationals. The operation Leon [16] [17] is taken in September, under the auspices of the UN within the UNIFIL 2. Ships Garibaldi, San Giusto, San Giorgio and San Marco (practically the entire fleet tuttoponte), with the escort of the corvette Phoenix, have landed on the beach of Tyre "force entry" (Entry Force) peacekeeping force of Italian, made by the troops of the new amphibious force projection from the Sea (FPM), which in turn consists of the San Marco Regiment of the Army Navy and the Lagoon.

Occasion, the Air Group has carried out reconnaissance missions on the merchant traffic to and from the Lebanese coast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.210.148 (talk) 13:16, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

CVS?
- please see Talk:Italian_aircraft_carrier_Cavour_(550), as it basically covers this issue as well. But on a side note, were these reverts really necessary? It's not as if this is vandalism or some other urgent matter. You could have simply just asked me about it. And, further to that... why would you need me to explain this to you? You seem like a fairly knowledgeable 'navy guy'. Surly you don't need me to tell you that CVS is obsolete and CVH doesn't exist? Or, that the Italian Navy doesn't use these codes? Aside from that, I thought we had mutually agreed to avoid each other (sort of a voluntary interaction ban). This isn't really how you go about avoiding someone... hitting them with needless reverts. Anyhow, I don't mind interacting with you. There have been several times where we got along just fine, because I believe we basically want the same thing - to improve these articles. Cheers - the WOLF  child  10:39, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * NATO STANAG 1166. - BilCat (talk) 11:51, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * ... And? That's it? C'mon Bill, you reverted me for a "lack of explanation". I've now provided a full explanation (twice!), with plenty of diffs and everything. I then say I hope we can work this out, (tryin' to be all nice and co-operative and all that), and all you come up with is... "NATO STANAG 1166"? Well, what about it? Are you somehow relying on this discussion from a few years ago? Or, do you have an actual ref you can supply both here and add to these articles to support the inclusion of these codes? Something that is reliable, verifiable and accessible? Whether it's the latest edition of stanag 1166 (#7 I believe, amended), or some Italian Navy nomenclature, or something along those lines. Something that clearly states that the Italian Navy is currently using "CVS" as a hull code for the Garibaldi, as well as using "CVH" as a hull code for the Cavour? (and perhaps explains just what CVH means).


 * As it is right now, the inclusion of these codes is completely unsupported and appears to be WP:OR. Beyond that, it appears that CVH was just 'made up' by some long gone IP editor, who based it on an assumption, derived from two other similar codes. Here's a quote: "if CVHA is Assault Helicopter Aircraft Carrier and CVHE is Escort Helicopter Aircraft Carrier" then CVH must mean...


 * Unless (and until) these codes can be properly supported, they should not be in these articles. Work with me here, Bill. - the WOLF  child  14:23, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

update
I had a look through all the links provided, but could not find any mention of "CVH"/"CVS". I then went hunting around, checking through every link, .pdf, etc., for "nato stanag 1166", and still couldn't find any mention of "CVH"/"CVS". So, it seems that the entry of these codes is unsupported, and the revert of my removal of these codes is unexplained. (Nothing personal, Bill. Have a Merry X-mas) - the WOLF  child  15:23, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

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First ever?
There were 2 earlier flush-deck aircraft carriers built, though not commissioned: the WW2 Aquila and Sparviero; hence the Garibaldi is not the first "ever". Will amend intro paragraph accordingly. Regards, DPdH (talk) 08:38, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Neither conversion was completed, which is what "built" generally implies in English. Garibaldi certainly was the first purpose-designed carrier from Italy. It would be better to work on suitable wording here first, perhaps as a footnote, and get a consensus among other editors fisrt, instead of adding wording that will just be reverted again. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 00:17, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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