Talk:Italian cruiser Umbria

Worth noting
It appears the error in Conway's as to the ship's name in Haitian service ultimately stems from the 1918 edition of Jane's Fighting Ships ( or as some have called it, Jane's Frightening Slips ), according to this edition of Warship International But contemporary sources (for instance this) confirm that Ferrier was in fact the yacht America, which had been purchased by Haiti but never actually put into service owing to a lack of funds. Contemporary newspapers and other sources confirm the ship's name as Consul Gostrück. Parsecboy (talk) 18:33, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Repeated revisions of improved versions of page
In fine, stop it. The article's DYK discussion is held up based on the lack of this information in the article and its inappropriate sourcing in the lead section of the article. It is, in fact, an aspect of GA status that the facts in the lead section are not directly sourced but are sourced within the body of the article. GA status will have to be removed if a well-meaning but zealous editor continues to flout that policy. Further, there is no problem whatsoever with duplication of some of the details from the class page and it is, in fact, more helpful to not have to bother with clicking through to see the information currently included, which is relevant to the Umbria itself. — Llywelyn II   11:22, 12 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I could care less what you do over at DYK, and whatever moronic rules you have over there. Perhaps you should share WP:LEADCITE over there, as you all apparently have not read it.
 * Please do not lecture me over the GA criteria. I have written literally hundreds of GAs and dozens of FACs.
 * As for duplication of information, again, I'd suggest that until you have the experience writing articles on warships that I do, you ought not lecture me on what should and should not be included in various articles. Parsecboy (talk) 13:16, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Haitian link
It would be better if the earlier republic had its own page but, pending its creation, the only place to link to is the article on the current Republic of Haiti, which is (apparently) felt to include the regimes under earlier constitutions. — Llywelyn II   11:25, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Regioni class
As to the number of members of the Regioni class, the Italian Ministry of Defense (which would presumably know) says there were 7. This is probably something to take up at Talk:Regioni-class cruiser but, regardless of how the discrepancy is resolved, it should probably be noted on the ship pages in some fashion. — Llywelyn II   11:30, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As I said elsewhere, the link is a primary source and is just wrong. Parsecboy (talk) 12:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * We should defer to the preeminent source in these cases, which is Conway's. Why we would purposely include incorrect information that is contradicted by multiple other sources is absolutely beyond me and a perversion of WP:RS/WP:V. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:47, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

photo
here. Parsecboy (talk) 18:33, 7 January 2016 (UTC)