Talk:Ivan Goran Kovačić

Ivan Goran Kovačić
The article needs citations and someone competent (a third-party) to bring it up to standards. Czarnykon (talk) 16:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I am deleting this part about Jama not being recommended to "sensitive people;" it has no relevance to this article, and is nothing more than an opinion. Mike 16:02, 27 February 2006 (UTC) I added this translation of first few verses, beause I could not resist. But if you find a better translation,, this will make me happy also. Sadly, Goran is neglected now for political reasons.

Note--it was widely believed that Goran described Ustashe crimes instead of Chetnik, as Ustashe were ruling in Croatia, and Chetniks were less common here. Besides, putting in his mouth that he spoke about CHetnik crimes because he was a Croat smells like revisionism (why banning him from schools then by neo nationalists?) -- Mtodorov 69 00:10, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad to see that my little "stub" is growing into a true article. I will continue to edit grammar as revisions are made. Mike 17:36, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Enjoying it too. My grammar is probably not perfect, and Ivan Goran deserves the best. I ma thrilled that someone has found English translation that is neutral. There was one, but it said translation from Serbian, so the Croats would object neutrality of the article, as Ivan Goran was unquestionably a Croat. He just abhorred attrocities. -- Mtodorov 69 09:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone transfer the picture of Ivan from the Croatian language page? I'm not sure how to go about doing so. Mihovil

Who was Ivan Goran Kovačić truly? Who above wrote? Who killed him?
In English Wikipedia we read: „The poem was written out of intellectual and ethical responsibility that condemns fascist atrocities committed by the Ustaše. Ivan Goran Kovačić was killed from Četnici in an east-Bosnian village of Vrbica near Foča on July 13, 1943.”
 * I take more questions: Who is however written in Jama? Ustaše, Četnici or Partizani? I do not believe, that he was partisan, writes against ustaše and he is killed from četnici. It is not logic here. Where are citations about these so important things? If somebody does not bring corresponding citations, I will cancel these affirmations, because partial.
 * Jama has not 10 poems, but 11. Let you watch 9th poem: The 1st strophe has 11syllables, then 11-10 syllables. On end are strophes with cleanly 11 syllables. Jama has so 11 poems. The content of 10th strophe is totally other as whole poem. Who write it? Only Ivan Goran, or was redaction already before, or after his death? I think, that these formulations are Communistic propaganda. 2010-06-20 Stebunik. --Stebunik (talk) 10:32, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I.G. Kovačić was a Partisan (just like many others of the Croatian Yugoslav intelligentsia, e.g. Vladimir Nazor). The poem is about Ustaše atrocities, i.e. Jasenovac and so forth, not Chetnik atrocities. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 11:02, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe you have right. But in poem and from poem is it not evidently. I read whole poem twice. On end wrote Goran (or redactor of poem) however writes about partisans and about "mržnja". But about ustaše or četniki he wrote in this poem not. He wrote about enemies only. From where have you that security, that Goran writes here about ustaše and not četnici or partizani or Italijani or Nijemci or etc...? where hve you competent citations? Give to us those too!--Stebunik (talk) 21:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Poem in education
The article mentions that the poem was taught in elementary schools during former Yugoslavia. It was in fact taught in high schools (16 -19 years of age), and it is still taught in the Republic of Serbia as of 2011, possibly in other ex-yu republics too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.93.78.153 (talk) 09:26, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

One-side

 * Fascism did not look on poets or scientists anywhere in the world as being of value. (So is it written in article)

This argument is one-sided and simply is not accurate. For its certificate should be provided more evidence, not only by Goran Kovacic. It should be said differently, for example: that the Nazis persecuted the Jews, but also Slavs and other peoples, except the Aryan race. Much more intolleranced agaomst poets and writers was (and still is) communism. Already in little Slovenia is for this affirmation many examples: Edvard Kocbek, France Balantič, Lojze Grozde, Narte Velikonja, Solženicin etc.--Stebunik (talk) 20:52, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

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