Talk:Jacek Olczak

Notability
While PMI qualifies him for NBUSINESSPEOPLE, SIGCOV is not met. Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello Piotrus, he is CEO of a controversial Fortune500 company, I don't think he needs to be super flamboyant to have guaranteed appearances in the news over the coming years. In fact, I see that he has also been featured in Switzerland's reference newspaper . He also appears in French, US and Polish newspapers: I don't know what the threshold of significant international exposure is, but I would assume that we are on the right side of things as far as what I can read of SIGCOV is concerned, aren't we? Superboilles (talk) 12:54, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * @Superboilles : The Swiss article linked is sadly paywalled. It may or may not meet SIGCOV - I cannot read most, and what I see suggests it may be a WP:INTERVIEW (those are considered lower reliability anyway). Right now I think he is borderline, and could merit a discussion at AfD. There may be sources about him, but right now, they have not been located. (Again, the Swiss article may or may not be good, I cannot say given the paywall). PS. A quick review of sources shows: a rewritten press release in Korea Times, a similar article mixed with a short interview and few press-release facts about PMI in a Polish niche magazine/newspaper (Polish edition of Business Insider), a second one in the same vein in the Polish news portal natemat.pl (which was discussed at RSN not that long ago and is not seen as very reliable), a web-TV interview in a Polish edition of Forbes , and few more rewritten press releases in other languages. Unless you see a better source, I think this needs to go to AfD. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  04:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * @Piotrus - I am not sure I get your point. You start by saying that JO qualifies per NBUSINESSPEOPLE so really that should be the end of the discussion already. I've poked around and his predecessor's entry was kept for this very reason, and there were a lot less references in the article back then than in this one. And then there is an actual PMI template box at the bottom of the article that has a "people" section. If the current CEO isn't in there, then what's the point? I'm all for a bit of gatekeeping (for instance when I translated the entry on a newly-elected Geneva politician I did wonder for a moment if an entry in English actually made sense), but this here seems... excessive? Superboilles (talk) 15:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Common outcomes is just a clarification. It does not override GNG. It states such articles are usually kept, which clearly implies there are exceptions. As for gatekeeping, in my view this person is just someone doing their job, receiving no media coverage or awards or such. He has risen to a relative top, but I have not convinced the position in itself grants automatic notability. That should be proven by others extending their recognition, nothing his significance or such. That is missing.Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:29, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I've added the Forbes reference, and as far as the banner you posted goes I think we go well beyond the request for reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. The onus is now on you to prove otherwise, or start the AfD proceeding you mention if that is really a hill you want fight on. But after two weeks and no change I'd rather remove this unsightly template which, to be honest, I find rather insulting of my work in a very passive-agressive way (not a personal jab at you: I suspect that you've been around for a while so probably don't realize it but boy, these are amazingly poorly thought-out in terms of user experience; and in most cases I've seen there would be no practical difference from posting such templates on the talk page). I'm glad there are other, fun ways to help editor retention because that is clearly not one of them :-( Superboilles (talk) 09:06, 16 June 2021 (UTC)