Talk:Jacob Javits

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Abebenjoe 21:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Javits and rabbi Emden
javits was named after rabbi Yakov Emden
 * Not very likely, since Javits was named Yaakov/Yakov Koppel, and that specific combination is not associated with the Yaavetz, the acronym for Rabbi Emden (which clearly has no syllable that would account for the Koppel part of the name). On the other hand, "Yaakov Koppel" is a name with a history, so another person, another rabbi -- not two people -- would be a most likely source.  Pi314m (talk) 19:36, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Interesting fact to add.
He was the most liberal Republican from 1937 to 2002. Though the 1017th most liberal politician overall which should be stated as well to show context. http://www.voteview.com/is_john_kerry_a_liberal.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.87.97.202 (talk) 05:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Why wasn't he a Democrat?
"He was strongly committed to social issues, believing that the federal government should have a role in improving the lives of Americans. Yet as a lawyer who had for years represented business clients, Javits also advocated a mixed economy in which business and government would cooperate to further the national welfare." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.109.225 (talk) 23:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Rockefeller Comparison Inappropriate
This article compares Javits' politics to Nelson Rockefeller. I see no reason to equate Nelson Rockefeller's politics with Javits. Although Nelson Rockefeller was a left-wing person politically, he was not nearly as far to the left as Javits, at furthest, he might have been similar to Arlen Specter today. Socialist Americans for Democratic Action gave Javits almost perfect scores in voting records in Congress, but opposed Nelson Rockefeller politically (for example by campaigning against his nomination for Vice President). Nelson Rockefeller was trashed by left-wing journalists like Tom Wicker of the New York Times. Rockefeller was left-wing, but not an extremist. Javits was a left-wing extremist, he even was involved in Trotskyist activity at one point according to William Rusher of National Review. Nelson Rockefeller was more socially conservative than Javits, although pro-abortion, he opposed government funding of abortion, for example. He was anti-Bolshevik and although he supported labor unions, he was pro-business in some areas, such as banking and trade. He also was tough on crime, and on welfare cheaters. Nelson Rockefeller was a leftist, but not nearly as far left as Javits. --99.130.172.213 (talk) 02:46, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 1 April 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved as requested, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 00:49, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Jacob K. Javits → Jacob Javits – WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, due to no other notable people named Jacob Javits, as well as WP:COMMONNAME:
 * A Google search for "Jacob Javits" returns nearly 500k results, to 620k for "Jacob K. Javits." It's likely many of the results for "Jacob K. Javits" refer to the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center rather than the senator himself. Mainstream media frequently used "Jacob Javits" during his political career (and shortly after his death), such as:
 * The cover of the June 24, 1966 Time magazine, as well as the headline of the accompanying cover story.
 * Time had a 1956 story titled, "The Trial of Jacob Javits."
 * Following his death in 1986, all three major national TV newscasts used simply "Jacob Javits", as in ABC's World News Tonight, CBS Evening News , and NBC Nightly News . Searching the Vanderbilt Television News Archive for "Jacob K. Javits" returns exactly zero results.
 * Also, The Washington Post headline of his obituary: "Former Senator Jacob Javits Is Dead at 81." The United Press International remembrance of Javits also omitted the middle initial.
 * The New York Daily News obituary of Javits uses "Jacob Javits" in its text, and the article includes two photos by staff photographers using "Jacob Javits" in the captions.
 * A Google search of "Sen. Jacob Javits" site:upi.com (again, United Press International the national wire service) returns nearly 70 results compared to four for "Sen. Jacob K. Javits" site:upi.com.
 * Written in more recent times, the United States Senate history section has an article titled, "Jacob Javits: A Featured Biography." Arbor to SJ (talk) 21:50, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Neutral but need to point out that covers, headlines, captions and abstracts are not good evidence of usage. We usually use first mention in running text of reliable sources as the standard. For example, the Time cover and headline, where space and graphics are issues, use Jacob Javits, but first mention is Jacob Koppel Javits, later Jack Javits. The second Time story uses Jacob Javits in the headline but Jacob K. Javits at first mention. The Washington Post does the same. The Daily News does just the opposite, and uses simply Javits on its cover. The Senate teaser uses Jacob Javits but the more formal bio uses Javits, Jacob Koppel. The three TV network citations are not from the networks but are only abstracts all from the same Vanderbilt Archive database. In short, Jacob Javits is more concise, Jacob K. Javits is more encyclopedic in tone, both are common, and it doesn't matter to readers searching for the article as long as one redirects to the other. Station1 (talk) 18:56, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and common name. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:17, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


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About his "popularity"
To not lose text from the article, a commented-out text has been moved here, minus what would make it invisible:
 *  need sources for this: While not personally popular among his colleagues ... Citation needed - date=February 2008 ..., he was widely respected for his hard work and intelligence. It was a matter of some comment that Javits' wife, the former Marion Ann Borris, who was active on the New York social scene, refused to move to Washington, D.C., a city she considered provincial. The couple married on November 20, 1947. Citation needed -- date=February 2008

A REBUTTAL ALSO MOVED FROM THE MAIN ARTICLE:
 * Sen. Moynihan wrote "there was none who did not respect him, and only political differences kept him apart from close relations with most of his fellow Senators" several years before Javits' passing, but did not release this publicly until after Javits' passing.

The REBUTTAL has a source, namely what Sen. Moynihan wrote for the New York Post, and which appeared Saturday, March 8, 1986, "the day after his death" (Moynihan's words, as mailed to those on his Senate mailing list "at taxpayer expense" BULK RATE, with a co-funding arrangement: "NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN").
 * Pi314m (talk) 20:23, 9 May 2018 (UTC)