Talk:Jaffna/Archive 1

Untitled
All unnecssary comments deleted. Previous discussion deleted by 213.122.44.47, and a very irrelevant entry was inserted. Someone who has enough peviledges please rollback. 133.44.1.220 02:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I have organized this article in an order that makes sence (at least to me) RaveenS 13:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I have organized the article again RaveenS 13:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Burnng of Library
The statement added by someone that the Library was burnt down by The Army is completely false. I'm removing that statement.

However, according to the cited article, the Army helped rebuild it. So I'm adding that bit. --snowolfD4( talk / @ ) 20:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Jaffna Library was burnt several times.

First time it was burnt by Cyril Mathew and Gamini Dissanayake, the ministers in the JR government and thousands of hooligans who accompanied them in two trains with free passage from Kurunegala to Jaffna during an District Council elections. The library and its hundred thousand of books were burnt on this instance and several valuable historical documents were burnt to ashes. this is the worst incident of library burning next to the mongol barbarians burning the Mesopotamian library.

The second time it was burnt by Army hooligans who were systematically destroying all the libraries in Jaffna including the Hartley College library somewhere in 1984/85 period.

--Cindy Manu 10:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

LOL at cindy manus comments. I found them extremely hilarious and imaginitive. You say it like you saw it happen with your own eyes LOL where are your sources mate? I hope u don't insert this rubbish in the actual article. I feel sorry for the future generTions who learns Jaffna history from material on this article.

Even the ethnic make up of the city is flawed. It says there's only Tamils Muslims and burgers there. But it goes on to say the Sinhalese are mainly buddhists and Catholics. Why mention Sinhalese at all if there are no Sinhalese living there as you claim? LOL

this may yet be the most flawed article in wikipedia yet. I plan to bring in complete revisions to the article after my research relating to Sinhalese buddhists history of the peninsula. So peelamists beware.your days of spreading EelamBS on wikipedia are numbered. I'll hve you peelaming in your pants LOL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.106.221 (talk) 02:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

History Section
The entire history section lacks citations and looks highly dubious to me. If no one provides inline citations for the text within the next few days I will have to remove the entire section and replace it with an older version like this. --snowolfD4( talk / @ ) 02:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Let it stay for a couple of weeks. I will make the edits after my exams are done. Watchdogb 12:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Reintroducing historical material
I reverted to the earlier text with historial information cited with references. Snowolfd removed it based on the assumption that it was spurious. There are citations in each case i.e. Professor Pathmanathan, Professor Indrapala, Mudaliyar Rasanayagam, the Mahavamsa, Sangam era Tamil literary sources etc.

These could perhaps be footnoted as opposed to being included in the main text itself but to argue that it is spurious altogether is incorrect.

Once again, history is complex with multiple interpretations. To give a nationalist Sri Lankan point of view that Snowolf seems to be doing is unjust to the study of history. --Dipendra2007 15:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Dravidian civilizations
Wiki Raja 20:03, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

The Flag is rubbish
This Northern Province flag is rubbish. And I am removing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sapient26 (talk • contribs) 18:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Guyan46's contribitutions on the history of Jaffna
This is currently being discussed at Talk:Sri Lankan Tamil people. Obi2canibe (talk) 20:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

central discussion
I have created a central spot for discussion relating to the history of Jaffna, which seems to be a topic on several talk pages. Please raise your concerns and suggestions there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sri_Lanka_Reconciliation#Sri_Lankan_Tamil_people.2C_History_of_Jaffna.2C_Jaffna_kingdom Jasy jatere (talk) 12:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Restructure
I have restructured the article Jaffna and linked it to Northern Province, Sri Lanka. If any one disagrees feel free to contact me. thank you. --BlueLankan 20:10, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Ancient settlements unearthed in Jaffna
Some info on ancient settlements unearthed in Jaffna that maybe should be included.--Blackknight12 (talk) 07:03, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Title Image
I request that a more suitable image, such as a panorama or a montage, rather than simply a single building, be placed into the infobox, and the current infobox image be moved. Wikipedians in Sri Lanka may be able to help, as well as the Free Image Search Tool.--RM (Be my friend) 00:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Lead and other edits
Shankar feels certain recent IP edits are vandalism. Refer to this discussion but continue here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Jaffna Chartinael (talk) 11:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Content dispute
As there is content dispute and many sections of this article are not cited and article needs to be rewritten sad to see 2 editors getting blocked.The first few sections have no citationso at all Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, we have to use strictly WP:RS sources to write encylopedia article about such a contested place as Jaffna is. There are lots of people pushing their pet theories and racial biases about this subject matter. Personal websites, blogs are not acceptable at all. This article also needs a spruce up as quiet a lot of information can be removed. Kanatonian (talk) 00:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have removed a personal website, still there are issues on proper citation.Shankar2001 (talk) 17:07, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say the history section is exerssive, may be we need another article called History of Jaffna city and we can cull most of the information there and just leave the pertinant information here. Lots of RS books are available here. But we need is a good quality pictures of the city itself, including panoramic views. Kanatonian (talk) 23:55, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Kanatonian, I can see where you are going with your recent edits, but 34K really isn't excessive for an article about a city and there is no reason to create fork articles at the present time. --FormerIP (talk) 01:24, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If you stick to RS sources, there is'nt an iota of support for all what was written as the history of the city. The city has no histtory beyond the Portuguese period just like the former capital Colombo, it was a native harbour made into a city by the Portuguese. There was confusion between the city, Jaffna District, Jaffna peninsula, History of Sri Lankan Tamil people, all that was assigned to an article about a mere city. So I created a dissambiguation page to clarify the confusion. What we really need is an properly cited GA quality article on History of Sri Lankan Tamil people. We already have an anemic History of Eastern Tamils article, someone(s) need to take up the challenge. Kanatonian (talk) 05:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Those who are visiting this page Question

 * 1) Does anyone has a copy right free image of Jaffna City or can create it ?
 * 2) Is Nallur part of Jaffna CITY ?
 * 3) Any pictures of Panoramic view of the city, Naga Vihara, Clock tower, destroyed buildings in war, Hospital, new construction, fort ? Kanatonian (talk) 00:41, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * There are quite a few free images on Flickr, most of whom were taken by tourists from the south. The images aren't generally good and the descriptions don't tell much about where exactly the photos were taken - to most southerners the whole of the Northern Province is Jaffna. Some of them might be what you're looking for. I've had a look at some maps of Jaffna and it seems parts of Nallur are certainly within the Jaffna municipality - Nallur Kandaswamy temple is close to the municipal council building on the Jaffna-Point Pedro Road.-- obi2canibe talk contr 16:19, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Is the temple in or outside ? Kanatonian (talk) 17:52, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Inside.-- obi2canibe talk contr 21:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am stuck on the culture section, reading any number of books is not leading me anywhere. May be a person native to the city will be able to connect the dots ?Kanatonian (talk) 04:10, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You can ask your doubts here, my parents being a native to Jaffna and I have a adequet knowledge in the History of South India and Sri Lanka, I can help in the leads, neutral point of view. Iqbalselvan (talk) 20:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * From a culture point of view,
 * # Any theatres for performing arts ?
 * # Information on the musuem
 * # Jaffna city specific cultural functions
 * # Entertainment
 * # Sports events ? Kanatonian (talk) 21:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


 * # Information on the musuem
 * # Musuem of Jaffna is located in Palali road, Jaffna. It is located near University of Jaffna. It is no longer maintained by Sri Lankan government, becuase Sri Lankan Musuem website told neither of it's information, once it was a big musuem with many artifacts. In 1983 Anti-Tamil riots in Jaffna destroyed many artifacts and manuscripts which are placed in Jaffna Library and Jaffna musuem are destroyed by Pro-government forces.

Current Photo of Jaffna Musuem shows it is in very bad conditions and not renovated even though it situated in Government controlled Territory from 1995 - 2009 ( End of the War ).

Jaffna library looks like a masonic lodge ( but no evident whether it related to Masonic ). Most intresting items displayed now is 11th century Mahayana Buddhists torsos found in Kantrodai, poorly conserved life size portrait of Queen Victoria. Few sources reporting, artificats and items belonging to Tamil antiquity are illegally smuggled or sold in colombo.

''Megalithic burial artefacts, palm-leaf manuscripts, a large collection of coins, beads and other valuable artefacts were missing from the museum. Later, some of them were reportedly sold in Jaffna itself.'' 72.138.118.191 (talk) 16:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Any copy right free images of these itesm available from locals in Jaffna ? Kanatonian (talk) 23:58, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

History
I removed the content on the following reasons;


 * Hoax, no citation.


 * No importance that it is part of the controversial term "Island nation".


 * A POV paragraph that Jaffna belongs to Sinhalese.

We can take this issue for the Dispute Resolution.HudsonBreeze (talk) 15:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Please dont remove cited content, what we need to discuss is the relevance of the section in the article. There are three issues here.


 * 1) Just like Colombo but unlike Kandy, Jaffna was established by the colonial Portuguese. Before them there existed no city in Jaffna.{ref - Education in Sri Lanka under the Portuguese, W. L. A. Don Peter, 1978, Page 342}
 * 2) The English name for Jaffna is ultimately derived from Portuguese Jaffapatao which intself is the derived from the native Tamil and Sinhalese name for Nallur the capital of Jaffna kingdom, (Cinkainakar or Yalpanam in Tamil and Yapapatuna in Sinhalese).
 * 3) The confusion in many peoples mind is tthey conflate Jaffna with Jaffna peninsula which according to Pali and Sinhalese chronicles belonged to a Kingdom that we in Wikipedia call Kingdom of Tambapanni. Even if the chronicles (written in the 5th century AD about issues that supposed to have happened 1000 years ago) were correct, it does not apply to Jaffna city, it applies to the History of Jaffna Peninsula or Northern Province. Thanks Kanatonian (talk) 16:29, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * A good example would Panama City, with a very clear cut History section that alludes to its colonial origins.Kanatonian (talk) 20:48, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Agreed totally. This article is about the settlement of Jaffna which didn't come into existence until about 500-800 years ago. Any history prior to this is irrelevant to the article. We don't include the entire history of Sri Lanka in every city/town/village article so why should Jaffna be different? Perhaps HudsonBreeze is right - POV pushing by some editors?.-- obi2canibe talk contr 22:19, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * That's all well and good and I don't disagree with it. But I wonder if the recent page move was for the best. "Jaffna city" seems like unnecessary disambiguation and might be mistaken for pointy. Might it not serve the purpose better to simply have a more specific hatnote directing editors who may be in the wrong place to Jaffna Peninsula? --FormerIP (talk) 23:16, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think the page move may have been too hasty. I understand Kanatonian's frustration but it's seems a pity that the "high value" Jaffna page is now just a redirect.-- obi2canibe talk contr 23:38, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I removed the section altogether but we need an article called Buddhism in Jaffna. DishanMudalige (talk) 03:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't need a separate article, please include within Tamil Buddhism.Sudar123 (talk) 10:27, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

City landmark collage
I can understand why this has been put under semi-protection, but I have a pretty neat collage of landmarks i made for this page... Is there any way I can edit this page so it can be included?Walkalia 09 December 2012. —Preceding undated comment added 22:21, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There are already a lot of images on the page. Span (talk) 23:20, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, i can see that. What i'm asking for is to replace the pretty piss-poor view of the city given in the infobox with a proper collage of the city's landmarks. If you noticed the fact that the page contains images, you would no doubt have picked up on the fact that the pic in the infobox is, at best, pathetic. I want to replace it with this- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jaffna_city_collage.jpg Walkalia (talk) 23:54, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * You become an auto-confirmed user 10 edits and 4 days after registering. See WP:Register. Span (talk) 14:19, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 February 2013

 * E jaffna – Jaffna Travel
 * Jaffna News – From Jaffna in Tamil

Thavaruban (talk) 12:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 21:38, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Suburbs
User:Psef2234 has recently added a section on suburbs. It is my view that this section is inappropriate. Neither this section nor the any of the "suburb" articles have references to show that they are suburbs of Jaffna. This is a violation of Wikipedia's core content policies. In addition, the section looks odd. There is no narrative, it consists of just a list of eleven entries, centered, wasting space. Toronto and Athens show how a suburbs section look like. Unless references are provided this section will be removed.-- obi2canibe talk contr 10:59, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Former Sinhalese and Muslim communities
why is there nothing here about the Sinhalese and Muslim communities who lived here before they were wiped out by the LTTE ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.231.86.139 (talk) 20:06, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Read the article.-- obi2canibe talk contr 15:24, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Irrelevant Information for Jaffna City
The following information is irrelevant to the article Jaffna City but it was cleverly synchronized in the article. However it may be added on Jaffna Peninsula or Jaffna Kingdom after Talk Page discussion.


 * Jaffna city, along with the rest of the Jaffna peninsula was part of the Kingdom of Tambapanni in 543 BC. Ancient Sinhala chronicles including Mahavamsa describes Jaffna city as a vital part of the island nation. It Briefly come under the rule of South Indian Kingdoms, after several incursions it has been recaptured by Sinhalese Kings thereafter, last of which was Parakramabahu VI.

The above information merely added on a highly hit "Jaffna City" article just to show the Sinhala dominance in the area with political motivation.Shivaass (talk) 17:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)


 * You are making this an issue when it does not have to be. Why does everything have to be about ethnicity and race with you? This article is about a place, a place has an eternal history, the history of the place does not start when a city is established, the establishing of a city is apart of its history. Therefore this information is relevant, so is all the notable information of the past and of the future that happened/will happen in this place.--Blackknight12 (talk) 03:21, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

If you still have an issue, consider taking it to the WP:DRN, rather than reverting genuinely good faith edits.-- CuCl2 (talk . contr . mail) 16:16, 19 October 2013 (UTC)-- CuCl2  (talk . contr . mail) 16:16, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've checked the two of the three sources out(The second source is not reliable, so its not valid to the argument anyway). There is a mention of Jaffna peninsula coming under Parakaramabahu. But one would wonder how does it influence the history of Jaffna today? The entire Sri Lanka was under Chola empire for a century. Jaffna came under this particular ruler only for half a century. So it is really malicious to re-insert something like "It Briefly come under the rule of South Indian Kingdoms, after several incursions it has been recaptured by Sinhalese Kings thereafter, last of which was Parakramabahu VI."

Reply by Nishadhi: Your reply clearly indicates, your lack of knowledge regarding the subject. The section you removed was sourced and factually correct. If the second source was unreliable you could have remove it with out removing the whole section. However, there is a gap from the reign of Parakramabahu to colonial era, the golden age of Jaffna, which you could have incorporated after a good research. With your recent edits I'm seriously doubting your good faith when comes to Sri Lanka related articles. Thanks. Nishadhi (talk) 01:57, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Reply Firstly, the content has nothing to do with the source except for the name of the king. The Jaffna Kingdom centered around the city from early 13th Century to mid 17th century. The kingdom was captured by Parakaramabahu only around 1450 as per the source. It was liberated by the Jaffna Kingdom once again around 1467. It is purely sinister to say something like:

"Jaffna city, along with the rest of the Jaffna peninsula was part of the Kingdom of Tambapanni in 543 BC. Ancient Sinhala chronicles including Mahavamsa describes Jaffna city as a vital part of the island nation. It Briefly come under the rule of South Indian Kingdoms, after several incursions it has been recaptured by Sinhalese Kings thereafter, last of which was Parakramabahu VI."

As I said, either you can revise it after doing the same with Colombo, Kandy etc. which came under Cholan reign for over a century+. Or you may just take it to the WP:DRN to re-insert the content.-- CuCl2 (talk . contr . mail) 06:12, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Reply by Nishadhi:


 * Ah, I see your point. I have re added the other information (after correcting some) up to Vijayabahu I. You are welcome to go ahead and add the rest of the history up to Colonial era. Thanks. Nishadhi (talk) 18:03, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I have reverted your latest edit which again, shucks! seems to be another case of promoting Sinhalization of the North and disfiguring the neutrality of the article. As per The contents of your edit:

"During early prehistoric and historic period, Jaffna was part of Kingdom of Anuradhapura and ancient Sinhala chronicles including Mahavamsa describes Jaffna city as a vital part of the island nation. Around 10th century CE Jaffna came under the Chola rule but Vijayabahu I, a prince from Ruhuna, recovered it in 1070."

Firstly the facts are continued to be twisted to pledge the historic background of the city to the Sinhalese:


 * During The pre-historic period neither the Anuradhapura Kingdom nor the Sinhalese were ever recorded to have existed. Very absurd to claim Yalpanam from time immemorial.


 * In Second Century BCE, archaeological evidence is found across the whole island from Poonakari to Tissamaharma supporting the existence of royal Tamil entities.


 * The Jaffna Peninsula is stated to have been ruled by the Nagas in Naka Tivu/Naga Nadu, the original inhabitants of the island before the Sinhalese first arrived. So it is contentious to use statements such as Jaffna being a vital part of "Anuradhapura" or a Sinhalese prince 'recovering' the island since it was the Nagas who were the earliest recorded rulers in the island.

Next, as I had stated earlier; Sinhalese rule which had lasted significantly less than their Tamil counterparts' has played very less role to what relates to the present-day city. Only the Valipuram Gold inscriptions provides for the possibility of the influence of Anuradhapura Kingdom in the peninsula, various sources from the Manimekalai to Ptolemy mention that the Naka Nadu(i.e the peninsula) was an independent/autonomous entity of its own. Simply trying to re-include content that is neither relevant nor impartially written only highlights the abjection and crave in you to Sinhalize Tamil geographical and historic articles.-- CuCl2 (talk . contr . mail) 19:11, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Reply by Nishadhi:
 * First, that sentence is a typo. it has to be "prehistoric and early historic". Other than that all the things that you mention are source less and wrong.
 * Second, why does everything have to be about ethnicity and race with you? There is no "Sinhalization", there are no "Tamil articles", It's just history. Don't make Wikipedia a battle ground. If you are uncomfortable with "recovered" you are welcome to replace it with a "better" word. Nishadhi (talk) 00:15, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment by JJ - I think that Nishadi's ;atest edit was quite okay. He made some poorly written sentences readable; that's good. The information seems relevant to me. And it's sourced. As for CuCl2's objections:
 * You'll have to provide references from reliable sources
 * What's the relevance of this?
 * Did the Nagas rule Jaffna during the time of the Anuradhapura kingdom? If not, then what's the relevance?
 * I'd rather see Nishadi's edit being restored. Greetings,  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   19:43, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

No, her edit isn't acceptable because, firstly this is a geographic article, so anything regarding history must be strictly based on WP:UNDUE. Neither Jaffna, the city nor Nallur are implicitly mentioned in any of the sources. Go through her edit, one more time:

"During early prehistoric and historic period, Jaffna was part of Kingdom of Anuradhapura." This is plain nonsense since the Jaffna peninsula as a whole was known as Nāka-Tivu and Nāka-Nadu in the Vallipuram excavations and epics such as the Manimekalai. The wording offered(it was by you, yourself if I am correct) on the page is that "Cīttalai Cāttanār, the author of the Manimekalai reflected Tamilakam's perception at the time that Nāka-Nadu was an autonomous administrative entity, kingdom or nadu, distinguished and separate from Ilankatipam, (also referred to as Irattinatipam) - Lanka." Note that both the Manimekalai which was a 6th Century epic, and Mahavamsa written in 3rd-5th Century CE documents the existence of this separate Northern Peninsula, the latter even goes further to stating that the Nākas were the aboriginals of the island. But Nishadi has quoted " and ancient Sinhala chronicles including Mahavamsa describes Jaffna city as a vital part of the island nation." and cited a nonsensical source. Wait a minute, there's nothing regarding what she had just written in that junk of a source. Bloody sinister case of WP:OR. This discussion with us is just a stupid decoy to set somebody on me, while she can go about choking Tamil encyclopedic articles. The last source merely refers to the Chola annexation of Sri Lanka and Vijayabahu's rebellion. Nothing with regards to Jaffna. Another extreme case of WP:OR(disgusting).

As the original editor pointed out "The above information merely added on a highly hit "Jaffna City" article just to show the Sinhala dominance in the area with political motivation." While on hand, they refute the a century old Tamil empire and an even historic Tamil-speaking aboriginal rule in the island calling the disputed one as 'mythical' and the documented one as 'occupation'. But here, on every Tamil city and village encyclopedias, these hypocrite m*les try to do something like this. Low-life breeds. Period.

I intend to spend no more time trying to sort out with these upstarts, But they must know that "For every action, there is an equivalent and opposite reaction", so its not as if the stench of their pathetic scheming would catch up with their forsaken lives.- CuCl2 (talk . contr . mail) 08:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Reply by Nishadhi: I'm sorry it was a mistake. This was the section before the dispute

In the chronicle Mahavamsa, around sixth century B.C, there are descriptions of exotic tribes such as the Yakkhas strictly inhabiting the centre of the island, and the Nagas who worshiped snakes inhabiting the northern, western and eastern parts of the island, which was historically referred to as "Nagadipa".[3] Jaffna city[citation needed], along with the rest of the Jaffna peninsula was part of the Kingdom of Tambapanni in 543 BC. Ancient Sinhala chronicles including Mahavamsa describes Jaffna city as a vital part of the island nation.[4] It Briefly come under the rule of South Indian Kingdoms, after several incursions it has been recaptured by Sinhalese Kings thereafter, last of which was Parakramabahu VI.[5][6][7] and since the CuCl2 point out the gap regarding the Arya Cakravartis before Parakramabahu I, I have decided to let him write the section from end of Anuradhapura to Colonial era. I added the rest of the section and I was concentrating on the making it less controversial but I failed to double check the existing source. But I re-added it, it is my responsibility, and I apologize for my mistake.

I'll ignore the barrage of insults, but I fail to see the rationale of removing part of the history section as irrelevant and keeping parts about Kandarodai, Valiipuram and about Nagas. Anyway, whatever I might write may perceive as an attempt to Sinhalaze the article. So why don't you write the section and please don't keep it like this, because whatever said and done Jaffna is a city with a rich history, which can be traced back to prehistoric times. Thanks. Nishadhi (talk) 12:27, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks to me like you're ignoring this source which Nishadi gave: Paranavithana S. The Arya kingdom in north Ceylon. Journal of the Ceylon branch of the Royal Asiatic Society. 1961;VII(2):180-190.  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   12:33, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Pls read, Nishadhi (talk) 18:55, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Was there a separate Tamil kingdom in northern Sri Lanka before 13th century? - facts
 * 2) Manimekalai to Tamil kingdom in the Northern Sri Lanka, Gaps in the string of arguments.


 * The problem here is that people, particularly those from the south, refer to the entire northern Sri Lanka as "Jaffna". Please remember that this article is about the city of Jaffna, not Jaffna District, not Jaffna Peninsula, not the Northern Province. Is there any archaeological evidence that the city existed prior to the middle ages? If there isn't, stating that Jaffna [the city] was part of any ancient kingdom is akin to mentioning the Roman Empire in each of the articles for the many thousands of cities, towns and villages in Western Europe, Southern Europe, North Africa and Middle East simply because those settlements were built on land that was once part the Roman Empire. Therefore I agree that we should remove the reference to Kandarodai (10km from Jaffna) and Vallipuram (30km from Jaffna) which have nothing to do with Jaffna city. As far as I am concerned the "Pre-history" and "Early historic period" sub-sections should be removed - they have nothing to do with the city.-- obi2canibe talk contr 14:55, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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