Talk:Jan Krzysztof Damel

J. Damel
http://cejsh.icm.edu.pl/cejsh/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?05PLAAAA0032793 - this English language academic text uses the name Damel. "Damelis" is a Lithuanized form and should be replaced here by Damel.Xx236 (talk) 07:58, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * English book, regarding art issues, Glimpses of Lithuania p. 172 uses Jonas Damelis. Indeed Jonas Damelis is used in EN publications so it is perfectly fine to have it here as well. M.K. (talk) 17:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "English book" - very funny. http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1084380 - it's a Soviet Lithuanian book.Xx236 (talk) 07:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No it isn't funny, actually M.K. (talk) 08:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm rather leaning towards Damel as the primary name. But I didn't think the move should have been done without a longer and more collegial discussion. I see a number of Gbook results for Damelis, but possibly more for Damel. It can be hard to determine how many Gbooks are in English. Sometimes they have EN abstracts or forewords or whatever. I would like to see consensus here before the move - MK?. Novickas (talk) 13:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Re the Damel UNESCO ref - it's on page 18 of the PDF (adobe reader page numbering); reads "Jan Damel - Landscape artist, portraitist and painter of historical scenes." . Novickas (talk) 13:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, Association of Lithuanian Museums in their EN lang text use Jonas Damelis as their primary name, providing alternatives in brackets (Johann Damehl') So I think current naming is perfectly fine. M.K. (talk) 16:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Piteris Paulius Rubensas isn't in force here, the same "Jonas Damelis". I think the curren't name isn't fine, because it's an English Wikipedia, not a Lithuanian oneXx236 (talk) 07:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, this is EN wikipedia, this is why I provided separate English language sources, which use current name as the main one. Therefore it is perfectly acceptable name here. M.K. (talk) 16:19, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, you have provided a Lithuanian source in English. Again, this isn't a Lithuanian/English nor a Polish/English but English/English. So the name is perfectly unnaceptable, like many other names Lithuanized post-mortem.

Xx236 (talk) 10:35, 9 August 2010 (UTC)