Talk:Jasenovac i Gradiška Stara

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Serious?[edit]

"the World War II fascist Nazi puppet government"

Why do editors allow and protect (locking the article) this filthy childish language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.58.119.200 (talk) 10:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is filthy or childish about describing it as such? Read the article Independent State of Croatia where it's explained. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:19, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Babić criticism of Thompson re lyrics[edit]

Since this page is on my watchlist, I observed the recent transactions.Why would Babić accuse Thompson of singing these lyrics (translated into English, below)?

Jasenovac and Stara Gradiška, That’s the house of Maks’s butchers. There was a slaughterhouse in Čapljina, Neretva carried away many Serbs (from there). O Neretva, flow downhill, And carry the Serbs into the blue Adriatic. Through Imotski trucks rush, Driving the black uniforms of Jure Francetić. I am Ustasha and so was my father, Father left the craft to his son… Whoever said that Black Legion is not coming back, May his father fuck him. Lady Sinjska, if you can, take away Stipe and bring back our Franjo. O Racan, may a dog fuck your mother, and the ones who voted for you. Shining star above Metković, Send our greetings to Ante Pavelić.

, or alternately, this (much poorer) translation:

"Jasenovac and Gradiska Stara, it's Max's house butcher / Through Imotski trucks rushing, driving blacks Francetića Jure / In Capljina, the slaughterhouse, many Serbs Neretva wore / Oi Neretva run back side carries the Serbs blue Adriatic / Who could have imagined last year, that will celebrate Christmas partisans / who said, fuck him daddy to Crna not return / Ladies sinjska if you are able, take Stipe and return us Francis / Oi Racan fuck you dog mother, and one who is voting for and / bright star above Metkovic, greeted us Ante Pavelic"

Either the lyrics were sung or Mr Babić is lying (why?) or hearing things which are not being said/sung, and needs to be institutionalised. I genuinely don't understand but the links with the purported lyrics are still active and provide translations (very poor ones, as seen above), so what's up? Did Thompson sing these lyrics or not? Thanks. Quis separabit? 04:05, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProjects Songs?[edit]

This "song" belongs to the hate speech category. Moreover, the archived history of this page claims that the "song" (lyrics? notes?) is copyrighted. How, when, who holds the copyright-- no proofs ever given. The most basic question how could a crime (hate speech) ever be protected by law was not answered nor it could be answered rationally. I see only irrational intentions to make the complete "lyrics" invisible. Accordingly, I've put back the full version of this article.--178.223.67.126 (talk) 06:03, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:LYRICS This song may still be under copyright, and the lyrics may not be reproduced here. If it is not under copyright, it is incumbent upon you, the editor who wishes to include this material, to adequately demonstrate that it is not under copyright. Scr★pIronIV 21:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The most basic question how could a crime (hate speech) ever be protected by law was not answered nor it could be answered rationally. Quite clearly demonstrated.--178.223.67.126 (talk) 21:27, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Your point on "hate speech" is immaterial. Wikipedia has rules regarding the contents of artistic works, and they are to be followed by all editors. Scr★pIronIV 21:41, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The hate speech mentioned above was materialized in the most public way by the Swiss government banning the "song" performer Perkovic from entering Switzerland for 2 years. Writing "songs" and singing them like that one is a crime not an artistic work. Moreover, the Anti-Defamation League materialized it here too, which is one of the article references and quoted here:
      Croatian-based singer Marko Perkovic (who is also called Thompson) and his band Thompson are known for singing 
      nationalistic songs about Croatia and publicly supporting the Ustashe, a fascist, pro-Nazi regime in Croatia 
      responsible for murdering tens of thousands of Jews, Serbs, and Roma from 1941-1945--178.223.67.126 (talk) 22:00, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Your claim does not make the contents of the song exempt from copyright law. While this may be "hate speech" which is legally unprotected in some countries, it is not so in others. Wikipedia is an international community, and vigorously prevents copyright infringement by its editors. Scr★pIronIV 22:23, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I advise you familiarize with the idea of artwork and artwork copyright before responding to my comment. This "song" is a primitive versed hate speech that glorifies murder, mocks and curses other people. This "song" does not have publisher nor author claiming the "artwork" copyright ever nor such claim can be ever respected by any law of any civilized country. Perkovic, the singer of this "song" got his USA entry visa prohibiting him from singing this "song" while visiting the USA. Please, elaborate your "legally unprotected in some countries, it is not so in others" i.e. name a country that protects this "song" and provide a source supporting your statement. If you keep posting unsubstantiated and irrational comments as the above ones, I'll ignore you further. Moreover, Wikipedia is subject of the USA law and must adhere and comply to this law.--178.223.67.126 (talk) 05:38, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@ScrapIronIV: I would guess this is another sock of User:Bedford, PA. --Izno (talk) 04:00, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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